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Message 91 of 4573 (797081)
01-11-2017 8:21 AM
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01-11-2017 12:00 AM


Re: Russia May Have Collected Embarrassing and Prurient Information About Trump
I disagree somewhat about what is sad.
il Donald really has read the reactions of his support base nearly perfectly. Back to the nearly soon.
First, I would expect any intelligence agency worth it's salt to gather as much compromising information as possible about all potential people in power. That of course includes those in power in their own nation as well as those in power or positions of influence in other nations; friend or foe. That's simply their job description. Ask J Edgar.
Second, Trump was quite right when he said he could literally shot someone on the street and not lose any support. His base would almost certainly find that the Duke's testamony that He never shot nobody what didn't need shootin was adequate defense.
We have had lots of Presidents that have also had affairs even while in office so what I find really sad is that exposure of salacious videos might actually get the President in trouble with his base. His base seems so out of touch with reality that stuff like screwing around would be an issue while constant lying, misrepresentation, prejudice, bigotry, racism, ultra nationality, financial incompetency, narcissism, cruelty and dishonesty don't even ruffle a feather.
And that may be where il Donald misread his support base.

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Message 92 of 4573 (797083)
01-11-2017 10:00 AM
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01-10-2017 8:41 PM


Re: Russia May Have Collected Embarrassing and Prurient Information About Trump
If one were to assume, for the sake of argument, that the prostitutes story were to be correct, why on earth is he worrying ? Past experience suggests his supporters would simply applaud him for it.

Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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Message 93 of 4573 (797084)
01-11-2017 10:43 AM


Fake news
Reportedly folks at 4chan concocted a story about Trump in Russia and fed it to buzzfeed. Somehow it got into a CIA report and was being taken seriously by CNN. CNN has since pulled their story.

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Message 94 of 4573 (797086)
01-11-2017 11:22 AM
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01-11-2017 10:43 AM


Re: Fake news
Unfortunately it serves somebody's political interests to put out a disgusting rumor about a hated opponent. Everything I've seen on it this morning so far calls it out for its absolute lack of evidence and other telltale signs of being a fabrication. I'm hoping Trump may be able to sue for defamation.
The anti-Trump people haven't stopped trying to bring him down since he started rising in the primaries and they'll probably keep it up throughout his Presidency if they don't succeed in assassinating him. Plans to disrupt the inauguration are next on the agenda as I understand it.
OR, hope against hope, maybe he'll actually be able to win over some of his enemies and pull the nation together as he's often said is his aim.
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Message 95 of 4573 (797087)
01-11-2017 11:44 AM
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01-10-2017 4:20 PM


Re: Did Trump mock a disabled reporter?
His narcissism is the basis for his foreign policy. If a world leader says nice things about Trump, he will bend over backwards to do whatever they want. Putin is a perfect example of this.
He doesn't care if he uses lies to attack people that are critical of his policies.
Today's policies are tomorrow's garbage. He thinks the best path is whatever he feels like that day.
Trump thinks women are sex objects, and little else.
Those are a few off the top of my head.
Interesting that your list is nothing but a list of snarky opinions that purport to read the man's mind, not a single fact.
The only one I give a little credence to is his attitude toward women, but since I hate political correctness more than I object to sexism the credence isn't much. I thought Gavin McInnes' comments (on that video I posted on the Humor thread) about the "locker room" story about grabbing women by the crotch, were an interesting debunkery of the usual take on that. He said it was taken out of context, that Trump was describing how groupies behave, and expressing astonishment that they just allow men to grab them like that at will. I haven't checked this out myself but I wouldn't be at all surprised to find out it's true, just because there's such a massive leftist project to malign the man, which your snarky mindreading list fits right into.
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Message 96 of 4573 (797089)
01-11-2017 12:34 PM
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01-11-2017 1:51 AM


Re: Did Trump mock a disabled reporter?
Faith writes:
I've heard this but have seen nothing I would describe that way.
His Twitter outrage against SNL skits is a perfect example. You never saw Obama being outraged by the same thing. Trump's recent raging fit against Meryl Streep is another good example.

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Message 97 of 4573 (797090)
01-11-2017 12:37 PM
Reply to: Message 81 by ooh-child
01-10-2017 12:30 PM


Re: Same-sex Marriage
Donald Trump has claimed he's okay with same-sex marriage, calling it settled law by way of SCOTUS decisions.
Do we take him at his word, or do we 'look into his heart' as KellyAnne Conway suggests, and try to divine his true feelings on the matter?
Do you, Faith, think you know his mind on this matter, as you seem to know his mind on so many other things?
He's said he's OK with gay marriage and I've said I wish he wasn't. I haven't changed my opinion.

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Message 98 of 4573 (797091)
01-11-2017 12:40 PM
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01-11-2017 11:44 AM


Re: Did Trump mock a disabled reporter?
Faith writes:
Interesting that your list is nothing but a list of snarky opinions that purport to read the man's mind, not a single fact.
Trumps own words:
1. Narcissism and foreign policy:
quote:
LAUER: Do you think the day that you become president of the United States, he's going to change his mind on some of these key issues?
TRUMP: Possibly. It's possible. I don't know, Matt. It's possible. And it's not going to have any impact. If he says great things about me, I'm going to say great things about him. I've already said, he is really very much of a leader. I mean, you can say, 'Oh, isn't that a terrible thing' -- the man has very strong control over a country.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/...in-chief-forum-was-bananas
2. Does he still want to throw women in prison for getting abortions? Is he still appointing a special prosecutor to go after Hilary Clinton? Is he still arresting all these criminal immigrants within the first hour of his presidency, as he stated in his speech on immigration? I could go on with hours listing his flip-flops.
3. Multiple women have come forward describing how Trump has assaulted them.
These aren't opinions. These are facts.
The only one I give a little credence to is his attitude toward women, but since I hate political correctness more than I object to sexism the credence isn't much.
Why do you hate the idea that people shouldn't be proud of saying racist, hurtful, and misogynistic things?
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Message 99 of 4573 (797093)
01-11-2017 1:24 PM
Reply to: Message 95 by Faith
01-11-2017 11:44 AM


Re: Did Trump mock a disabled reporter?
The only one I give a little credence to is his attitude toward women, but since I hate political correctness more than I object to sexism the credence isn't much.
So you would prefer we say exactly what we think about you rather than being polite?
Considering how thin skinned you and Trump are, I think what you really mean is it's ok for you to be assholes, but everyone who disagrees with you should be politically correct.

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Message 100 of 4573 (797094)
01-11-2017 1:42 PM
Reply to: Message 94 by Faith
01-11-2017 11:22 AM


Re: Fake news
quote:
Unfortunately it serves somebody's political interests to put out a disgusting rumor about a hated opponent. Everything I've seen on it this morning so far calls it out for its absolute lack of evidence and other telltale signs of being a fabrication
And that is even more true for "pizzagate" which you refuse to talk about - even though it is promoted by your trusted alt media.
So long as you refuse to condemn that, your position here can hardly be seen as a moral stand.

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Message 101 of 4573 (797096)
01-11-2017 1:56 PM
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01-11-2017 1:42 PM


Re: Fake news
I don't know enough about "pizzagate" to have an opinion about how true or false it may be. I heard bits and pieces of the original claims and that's it. It's certainly not obviously false. I can only wait to see if more comes out about it.
Yes I'm biased, I believe that what's false about Trump could be true about Clinton and her cronies, yes indeed. I also think that as a general policy the left accuses their opponents of what they themselves are guilty of.
Nevertheless pizzagate hasn't been proved. I'll let you know when I know enough to have a solid opinion one way or the other.
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Message 102 of 4573 (797097)
01-11-2017 2:05 PM
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01-11-2017 1:56 PM


Re: Fake news
"Pizzagate" is certainly more obviously false than these rumours about Trump. Those, at least, fit in with the way that the Russians are known to have operated, and are not so far out of character for Trump. Surely the "secret tunnels" were a giveaway (at least to anyone who remembers the ridiculous extremes of the Satanic Ritual abuse panic of the 1980s)

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Message 103 of 4573 (797100)
01-11-2017 2:32 PM
Reply to: Message 93 by Coyote
01-11-2017 10:43 AM


Snopes Again
Reportedly folks at 4chan concocted a story about Trump in Russia and fed it to buzzfeed ...
Snopes: Memos leaked to the media claiming that Trump was blackmailed by Russian operatives are not verified. still says "unproven" and lists the following sources:
quote:
Taylor, Colin. "US Intelligence Just Confirmed Trump Is Being Actively Blackmailed By Russia."
Occupy Democrats. 10 January 2017.
Bensinger, Ken, et al. "These Reports Allege Trump Has Deep Ties To Russia."
Buzzfeed. 10 January 2017.
Corn, David. "A Veteran Spy Has Given the FBI Information Alleging a Russian Operation to Cultivate Donald Trump."
Mother Jones. 31 October 2016.
Rosenberg, Matthew, and Goldman, Adam. "Trump Received Unsubstantiated Report That Russia Had Damaging Information About Him."
New York Times. 10 January 2017.
Note that the Buzzfeed article comes months after the Mother Jones report.
quote:
While the news was being reported as "breaking," the information had actually been explored in depth in a 31 October 2016 article by Mother Jones. Unlike Mother Jones, however, Buzzfeed opted to publish the underlying document in full even though its provenance and truthfulness was unverified.
David Corn, the Mother Jones reporter who broke the story months ago, wrote on Twitter that he chose not to publish the memos because he could not confirm the allegations made within them.
Also see What is Watersportsgate? Five things we know - and five we don't - about Donald Trump's prostitute scandal
quote:
What we know
1. President Obama and Trump have been briefed on the dossier
2. The dossier has been around for some time
3. It is unclear if the FBI is investigating the claims
4. American security agencies ARE investigating Russian hacking of the election
5. Donald Trump denies the claims
What we don't know
1. Have any of the facts been checked?
None of the claims in the Trump dossier have been established as true at this point.
2. How credible is the source?
It has now been reported by multiple US outlets that the source of the Trump dossier is a retired former British spy.
He is believed to have spent almost two decades on Russian intelligence matters and a senior government source told MotherJones "he has been a credible source with a proven record of providing reliable, sensitive, and important information to the US government."
The source, now a private consultant, was initially asked to investigate Trump's links to Russia by a Republican rival.
3. Did it have any effect on the US election?
President Barack Obama expelled 35 Russian suspected spies and imposed sanctions on two Russian intelligence agencies last week for alleged Kremlin involvement in hacking that intelligence officials said aimed to help the Republican Trump defeat Democrat Hillary Clinton in the November 8 election
4. Will there be a full investigation of the claims?
Opposition leaders have jumped on the latest scandal, and demanded a full inquiry.
5. Will it stop Donald Trump becoming President?
It appears very unlikely.

Time will tell whether this is fake, a half-truth, or the real enchilada. This may become Trump's Benghazi.
Enjoy
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Message 104 of 4573 (797108)
01-11-2017 3:57 PM
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01-11-2017 1:56 PM


Re: Fake news
Faith writes:
Yes I'm biased, I believe that what's false about Trump could be true about Clinton and her cronies, yes indeed. I also think that as a general policy the left accuses their opponents of what they themselves are guilty of.
I've asked that discussion in this thread be civil and rational. The "rational" part of my request means providing factual support and logical argument for your positions. If you're just going to repeat unsupported biased opinions then please get off the thread.
But please do not post here about Pizzagate. I know you didn't introduce the topic, but it isn't on-topic for this thread. It more belongs in the The 2016 United States Presidential Election thread.
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Message 105 of 4573 (797120)
01-11-2017 10:20 PM
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01-11-2017 2:32 PM


BBC and the new tape scandal
caveat: this source is from RawStory
quote:
BBC correspondent: Ex-British intelligence officer ‘not the only source’ for Russia’s Trump dossier
The existence of a compromising Russian dossier on President-elect Donald Trump has been confirmed by multiple sources, BBC Washington Correspondent Paul Wood revealed on Wednesday.
During a BBC 4 radio broadcast on Wednesday, Wood revealed that the former British spy was not the only source claiming to have knowledge that Russia is possession of sex tapes that could embarrass the president-elect.
The rumors or the allegations or whatever you want to call them have been circulating for a number of months now, Wood explained. I saw the report, compiled by the former British intelligence officer, back in October. He is not, and this is the crucial thing, the only source for this.
Wood said that he had been told by a member of the U.S. intelligence community that at least one East European intelligence service was aware that the Russians had kompromat or compromising material on Mr. Trump.
Now I don't know about you, but I tend to think BBC is a fairly impartial mainstream media news, and that anyone affiliated with them would not want to put out information that was fake if they valued their job.
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