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Topic: The Great Creationist Fossil Failure
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Dr Adequate
Member Posts: 16104 Joined: 07-20-2006
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Message 1156 of 1163 (797535)
01-23-2017 3:56 PM
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Reply to: Message 1154 by creation
01-23-2017 3:20 PM
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| I must say, that I haven't heard those two arguments from creation believers lately. Hydro sorting, or 'creatures running uphill to escape the Flood'. Really. |
Have they replaced it with some new excuses I could take a look at, or have they just given up discussing the subject out of sheer embarrassment?
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creation
Member (Idle past 202 days) Posts: 654 Joined: 01-22-2017
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jar
Member Posts: 31288 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004 Member Rating: 3.0
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Message 1158 of 1163 (797577)
01-24-2017 7:41 AM
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Reply to: Message 1155 by creation
01-23-2017 3:22 PM
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Re: clades vs kinds
| time writes: Possibly because there was a lot of evolving after creation? |
Except, of course, for the fact that none of the critters claimed to have been created during the Creation existed at the Creation or for millions of years after the Creation. Creationism is not just DOA, it is utterly stupid.
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ringo
Member Posts: 17300 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005 Member Rating: 2.5
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Message 1159 of 1163 (797597)
01-24-2017 11:01 AM
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Reply to: Message 1155 by creation
01-23-2017 3:22 PM
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Re: clades vs kinds
| time writes: Possibly because there was a lot of evolving after creation? |
There was a time when creationists claimed that evolution never happened, that in fact it couldn't happen. It's funny that they now argue "against" evolution by claiming it happened really, really fast.
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Coyote
Member (Idle past 366 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: 01-12-2008
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Message 1160 of 1163 (797599)
01-24-2017 11:07 AM
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Reply to: Message 1159 by ringo
01-24-2017 11:01 AM
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Re: clades vs kinds
| Ringo writes: There was a time when creationists claimed that evolution never happened, that in fact it couldn't happen. It's funny that they now argue "against" evolution by claiming it happened really, really fast. |
As I've noted elsewhere: Creationist John Woodmorappe, in his “The Non-Transitions in ‘Human Evolution’—on Evolutionists’ Terms” claims that the change from modern man, i.e., Adam and Eve, to Homo ergaster, Homo erectus, Homo heidelbergensis, and Homo neanderthalensis took place after the Babel incident, which is usually placed after the global flood and in the range of 4,000 to 5,300 years ago. The implications of this are huge: Woodmorappe’s perceived change from modern man to Homo ergaster would require a rate of evolution on the order of several hundred times as rapid as scientists posit for the change from Homo ergaster to modern man! This is in spite of the fact that most creationists deny evolution occurs on this scale at all; now a creationist has not only proposed such a change, but sees it operating several hundreds of times faster and in reverse!
Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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Pressie
Member Posts: 2074 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: 06-18-2010 Member Rating: 3.0
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Message 1161 of 1163 (797651)
01-25-2017 6:19 AM
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Reply to: Message 1160 by Coyote
01-24-2017 11:07 AM
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Re: clades vs kinds
YEC is like trying to peg a square into a round hole.
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Pressie
Member Posts: 2074 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: 06-18-2010 Member Rating: 3.0
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Message 1162 of 1163 (797652)
01-25-2017 6:23 AM
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Reply to: Message 1160 by Coyote
01-24-2017 11:07 AM
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Re: clades vs kinds
| Coyote writes: Creationist John Woodmorappe... |
You mean "science teacher" Jan Peczkis...
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Coyote
Member (Idle past 366 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: 01-12-2008
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Message 1163 of 1163 (797664)
01-25-2017 9:55 AM
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Reply to: Message 1162 by Pressie
01-25-2017 6:23 AM
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Re: clades vs kinds
| Coyote writes: Creationist John Woodmorappe... |
| Pressie writes: You mean "science teacher" Jan Peczkis... |
Right. I'm sure he's keeping his religious beliefs out of the classroom, too.
Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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