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Coyote
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Message 44 of 93 (797791)
01-27-2017 10:06 AM
Reply to: Message 43 by RAZD
01-27-2017 9:34 AM


Re: now it's "specified" information - still not quantified
This is typical of creationist and IDologist dodge...
The whole idea of information loss is a necessary part of creationist dogma. This stems from belief in "The Fall" and sin since the Garden of Eden, which represented a state of perfection.
All the efforts we see related to information loss are simply attempts to make reality conform to creationist belief. Reality is quite stubborn though, and doesn't change in spite of what one group or another happens to believe.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.

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Message 84 of 93 (802793)
03-20-2017 9:39 AM
Reply to: Message 82 by CRR
03-20-2017 6:47 AM


Discovery Institute?
The Discovery Institute is not a very reliable venue for learning about science.
A prime example is their "Wedge strategy."
http://www.antievolution.org/features/wedge.html
Two small quotes:
Discovery Institute's Center for the Renewal of Science and Culture seeks nothing less than the overthrow of materialism and its cultural legacies. Bringing together leading scholars from the natural sciences and those from the humanities and social sciences, the Center explores how new developments in biology, physics and cognitive science raise serious doubts about scientific materialism and have re-opened the case for a broadly theistic understanding of nature. ...
Design theory promises to reverse the stifling dominance of the materialist worldview, and to replace it with a science consonant with Christian and theistic convictions.
In other words, they are advocating a "science" that conforms to their religious beliefs rather than following the evidence of the natural world.
In short: they are 180 degrees anti-science. I don't consider that a very good source of scientific knowledge.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.

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Message 87 of 93 (802859)
03-20-2017 10:33 PM
Reply to: Message 86 by CRR
03-20-2017 10:11 PM


The Wedge Document again...
Ann Gauger is a zoologist with a BS in biology from MIT and a 1989 PhD from the University of Washington.
The problem is not one's education or credentials.
The problem is that to be associated with the Discovery Institute or any of the other similar religious-based fundamentalist organizations one must accept their particular religious beliefs. And the organizations' religious beliefs are always seen as superseding scientific evidence. It is obvious that religious belief can negate even the most distinguished academic education and credentials.
Theology is never any help; it is searching in a dark cellar at midnight for a black cat that isn't there. Theologians can persuade themselves of anything.
Robert A. Heinlein
Refer back to the Wedge document I linked to earlier. Those folks want to destroy "materialistic" science and replace it with "theistic" science.
Here's a good analysis of the Wedge document by the Sensuous Curmudgeon:
What is the “Wedge Document”? | The Sensuous Curmudgeon
The Discovery Institute folks are clearly anti-science, and not a credible source for anything pertaining to science.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.

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