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Message 172 of 4573 (797589)
01-24-2017 9:32 AM
Reply to: Message 165 by Coyote
01-23-2017 8:59 PM


Re: Reaction: The Trump Inauguration
Given all this, I think $50,000 a year would be more than enough compensation.
Trump is reportedly accepting $1 per year.
Chump change and propaganda, but how would you know if he never publishes his tax returns? Only a fool believes what he says, I'll wait for actual behavior.
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Message 173 of 4573 (797591)
01-24-2017 10:07 AM


Trump breaks constitution on first day. Now faces lawsuit.
quote:
Trump faces lawsuit for violating Constitution 2 days after taking oath
The suit alleges that Trump is in violation of the Emoluments Clause, which prohibits federal office holders from receiving any present, emolument, office, or title, of any kind whatever, from any king, prince, or foreign state.
Trump’s company, the Trump Organization, does regular business with foreign governments, presenting them with an opportunity to launder unconstitutional gifts to the president. A bank controlled by the Chinese government, for example, rents office space in Trump Tower. And the Embassy of Kuwait reportedly moved an event from the Four Seasons hotel to a hotel owned by Trump after members of the Trump Organization pressured the ambassador to hold the event at the hotel owned by the president-elect.
Although Trump announced at a press conference prior to his inauguration that he would take some steps to insulate himself from his company, Norm Eisen, former chief ethics counsel to President Obama and Richard Painter, who held the same job under President George W. Bush, released a statement saying that these steps are insufficient.
So he either doesn't know, doesn't understand or doesn't care about the constitution.
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Message 176 of 4573 (797615)
01-24-2017 1:15 PM
Reply to: Message 174 by ringo
01-24-2017 10:56 AM


Re: Reaction: The Trump Inauguration
Coyote writes:
Trump is reportedly accepting $1 per year.
Employee: I wish you'd pay me what I'm worth.
Employer: I'd like to but there are minimum wage laws.
All elected officials should work for minimum wage, but I don't think TrumpleThinSkin is worth 1 cent a year.
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Message 179 of 4573 (797624)
01-24-2017 2:45 PM
Reply to: Message 178 by NoNukes
01-24-2017 2:21 PM


Re: Reaction: The Trump Inauguration
Seriously, what kinds of candidates could you attract with such a policy? Wouldn't it be only the rich folk who can afford to take a pay-free sabbatical? ...
They are the ones in charge of setting the minimum wage, so I am pretty confident that they wouldn't starve.
Actually I believe that politicians pay should be approved by the people they represent, on the ballot.
... but between your policy of underpaying, and Percy's policy that they shouldn't write books or do speaking tours after being president, just who other than already rich folks could afford to be president?
Perhaps the politicians should be audited annually to show that their earning are honest and not graft or corruption. That is the concern, yes?
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Message 186 of 4573 (797731)
01-26-2017 9:13 AM
Reply to: Message 185 by vimesey
01-26-2017 8:32 AM


Re: Investigations
This leaves Trump with 2 choices - ...
So what do we think his Plan B is ?
Try to get the FBI to bald faced lie ? Dangerous, and with insufficient actual evidence and lots of people having to be in on it (risking imprisonment for Trump), not a likely outcome.
Brush the result under the rug and hope people will forget about it ? Possibly, particularly if he can get it strung out for 3 years ?
Or my personal choice, use a failure to dig up any evidence to attack the FBI for bias, and possibly use it to force the replacement of top brass he doesn't like.
Plan C -- to lie about the results and suppress the actual results.
I'm quite interested in Trump's announcement that he's going to launch an investigation into mass voter fraud.
I would hope that it opens the door to investigate election fraud. If they are checking the registrations for voters with multiple registrations and dead people, doesn't it also open the door to purged registrations and denied registrations?
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Message 189 of 4573 (797762)
01-26-2017 12:56 PM
Reply to: Message 188 by 14174dm
01-26-2017 12:00 PM


Re: Investigations
I would be surprised if any investigation occurs. Facts are inconvenient to a salesman. Remember he's a developer that turn politician, the sale is all that counts.
He is also a megalomaniac that can't stand evidence that shows he is an incompetent fatuous idiot with orange hair.
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Message 201 of 4573 (797802)
01-27-2017 11:39 AM
Reply to: Message 200 by Faith
01-27-2017 11:08 AM


Re: And 180 degrees to the right...
Nevertheless his interest in the numbers may be predominantly in the fact that the media misrepresented them, in their neverending quest to diminish his Presidency.
Except that they haven't.
Trump even showed a picture during a tour of the Whitehouse that showed a panorama of his crowd with obviousl gaps, especially at the rear, while Obama's crowd when all the way to the Washington Monument, and said, bald face, that his picture showed a bigger crowd.
What other president would even hang a picture of the crowd? What other president ever complained about his crowd size?
He is obsessive\compulsive and cares more about his personal image than he does the country.
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Message 212 of 4573 (797821)
01-27-2017 2:20 PM
Reply to: Message 203 by Faith
01-27-2017 12:28 PM


Re: And 180 degrees to the right...
He didn't complain about his crowd size. He complained about how the media misrepresented it.
And yet it has been verified with time dated pictures that the media were correct.
Trump is the one misrepresenting things, that is who he is: he puffs himself up and brags about stuff (magazine covers for instance) that are unimportant to anyone else.
We conservatives have watched the media lie and manipulate in favor of the Left and against the Right for years. Oh yes they do. the lies have even become more blatant through the Trump candidacy.
Main stream media is all about viewer numbers regardless of facts. We Liberals have watched the media lie and manipulate in favor of the Right against the Left for years. Did you follow the news about Bernie? How about the #NoDAPL protests? Remember the Occupy Movement?
Who owns the media, Faith?
Trump makes himself a target by attacking the media and then complaining that they set the record straight. He does it because that keeps him IN the news so that he can manipulate the story told to you, the sheep followers. He is obsessed with being in the spotlight.
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Message 218 of 4573 (797856)
01-28-2017 11:06 AM
Reply to: Message 217 by Percy
01-27-2017 7:30 PM


Re: Reaction: The Trump Inauguration
Can you post Some evidence for voter fraud to Free For All?
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Message 225 of 4573 (797915)
01-29-2017 12:01 PM
Reply to: Message 224 by Tangle
01-29-2017 11:57 AM


After a couple of hundred years, it looks like you got yourself a monarch again.
I'm deeply sorry.
We revolted before we can be revolting again ...

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Message 239 of 4573 (798015)
01-30-2017 10:46 AM
Reply to: Message 235 by Tanypteryx
01-29-2017 10:52 PM


Re: the spontaneous outpouring of citizenry
Are you now,
Or have you ever been
Radicalized?

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Message 246 of 4573 (798123)
01-31-2017 8:34 AM
Reply to: Message 241 by marc9000
01-30-2017 9:29 PM


Re: the spontaneous outpouring of citizenry
Here are a few of the Democrats;
*Someone with an open fondness for a communist dictator like Fidel Castro (Bernie Sanders) wouldn't have gotten anywhere near a Democrat presidential nomination in the 60's.
And yet social democrat FDR was reelected twice because he was so popular among working people.
Bernie Saunders positions were like FDR's, and not like Castro's - he did not advocate a "Castro Model" -- that is all in your head.
*There was no EPA in the 60's, no global warming / climate change movement.
*There was no attempt to involve the government with health care in the 60's.
And those are good things. Too bad the republicans hindered health care and blocked universal health care like most civilized countries have -- it costs less and it improves the economy because healthy people work better than unhealthy people.
*There were no filthy mouth Hollywood celebrities like Madonna spouting in front of an open mike without condemnation from the 60's Democrats.
I guess you never went to any anti-war protests. They were there.
*60's Democrats weren't pushing for special rights for gays, trannies, foreigners from enemy nations, abortion seekers, to near the extent they do today.
And it is a good thing to think that rights should be equally shared, not kept for privileged white straight people.
*A 60's Democrat said "ask NOT what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country". No current Democrat is going to get near that.
Except Bernie. But I agree that the DNC has been horrid in abandoning the working people in favor of corporatist pandering and trying to become republican-lite and abandoning Kennedy's legacy in favor of neo-lib Clintonism.
Republican examples? What's different about you since the 60's? I'm about the same - my political views haven't changed. By the way, the Constitution hasn't changed either.
In the 60's my Grandfather was chairman of the Republican Party in Vermont, and it was all about fiscal responsibility and individual rights. Eisenhower instigated the inter-state highways and massive infrastructure construction, and his tax system taxed the highest bracket at 90% ...
Now the GOP runs up the highest debts, leaving fiscal responsibility to the democrats, they are more concerned about religious issues than individual rights, they have done nothing for infrastructure repair to say nothing about any new construction, and they give away taxes to pander to the rich instead of the hard working individual that used to be the core republican base.
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Message 248 of 4573 (798133)
01-31-2017 9:35 AM
Reply to: Message 247 by jar
01-31-2017 9:24 AM


Re: At least so far the Trump Presidency has offered lots of humor
You gotta admit that on the upside, the Trump Presidency has so far provided decades worth of material to keep comedians employed. ...
And he has united Americans in a way not seen since the anti-war protests of the 60's, and united them with people in other nations. The women's march would not have occurred without him.
#ThankYouTrump*
* - fun fact: this hashtag was started by Trump supporters and now it has gone viral in a way they didn't anticipate ...

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Message 251 of 4573 (798140)
01-31-2017 10:20 AM
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01-31-2017 9:53 AM


Re: At least so far the Trump Presidency has offered lots of humor
So there may be uniting of the left and uniting of the right, but no uniting of the two. We are being driven into two separate nations to a level I don't believe has been seen since the 1860's. Let's hope and pray it doesn't go much farther...
Trump may be the catalyst for this to change. Certainly the liberal progressive side has an opportunity to bring less radical conservatives together with progressives to work on common ground issues perhaps using immigration reform as a basis.
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Message 261 of 4573 (798380)
02-02-2017 7:18 AM
Reply to: Message 260 by vimesey
02-02-2017 6:28 AM


Re: GOP votes to allow dumping of mining debris in streams
The Courts and lawyers seem to be doing what they can, but it's firefighting and not a concerted opposition. There are protests, but no organised voice of opposition and sense.
Trump is working hard to bring all these people together to make America Greater ...

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