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Diomedes Member Posts: 995 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
We conservatives have watched the media lie and manipulate in favor of the Left and against the Right for years. Oh yes they do. the lies have even become more blatant through the Trump candidacy. Does that include Fox News? Last I checked, they are part of the 'media'. And also the last time I checked, they lean heavily conservative. Why is everything myopic in your world view? It's left/right, liberal/conservative, black/white, up/down. There appears to be no critical analysis or review. It's just simply: "Liberals are evil. They lie. They are communists. Obama is a Muslim Kenyan. The world is 6000 years old because a book written by early iron age goat herders tells me so." Yada yada. The issue I am seeing is not necessarily misrepresentations by the media, white house spin doctors, and so forth. It is a complete lack of critical thinking on the part of many who seemed to have just decided to shut off the analytical part of their brain and deny facts even when they are staring them in the face.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1431 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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He didn't complain about his crowd size. He complained about how the media misrepresented it. And yet it has been verified with time dated pictures that the media were correct. Trump is the one misrepresenting things, that is who he is: he puffs himself up and brags about stuff (magazine covers for instance) that are unimportant to anyone else.
We conservatives have watched the media lie and manipulate in favor of the Left and against the Right for years. Oh yes they do. the lies have even become more blatant through the Trump candidacy. Main stream media is all about viewer numbers regardless of facts. We Liberals have watched the media lie and manipulate in favor of the Right against the Left for years. Did you follow the news about Bernie? How about the #NoDAPL protests? Remember the Occupy Movement? Who owns the media, Faith? Trump makes himself a target by attacking the media and then complaining that they set the record straight. He does it because that keeps him IN the news so that he can manipulate the story told to you, the sheep followers. He is obsessed with being in the spotlight. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Percy Member Posts: 22493 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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Faith shows no interest in constructive evidence based discussion, so I've again removed her posting permissions in the Coffee House forum.
I truly regret having to moderate my own thread, but we have a thin moderator crew. Normally I'd recuse myself for a couple days and then return as moderator, but Faith has chased me from participation mode to moderator mode too often, and I'd like to actually participate in my own thread this time without haven't it trashed. If Faith would like to promise to stay out of this thread and begin her own thread she should let me know, in which case I'll restore her posting permissions. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22493 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Faith writes: Nevertheless his interest in the numbers may be predominantly in the fact that the media misrepresented them,... The evidence from images like this indicates that the media accurately represented that fewer attended Trump's inauguration than Obama's first:
--Percy Edited by Percy, : Grammar.
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Percy Member Posts: 22493 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
NoNukes writes: You specifically suggested that things like writing books and giving speeches were examples of those 'flaws'. No, I didn't call them examples of flaws, and I didn't say anything about books. I used the word flaw in reference to the value of political influence. I think it perverts not just the political process but everything associated with politics, even remotely. I did mention that as ex-president Obama can command large speaking fees, like $500,000 per speech. I do consider the great value of political influence to be a flaw in our system that causes vastly inflated prices for things political, like speeches by former politicians. --Percy
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Here is what you said about speaking fees:
It was a general point about the political class in agreement with Trump, that politics seems to be a route to riches when it shouldn't be, and Obama was an example. As an ex-president Obama can now go out on the speaking circuit commanding large fees. What is your problem with the speaking fees Obama can "command" and how do those fees "perverts not just the political process but everything associated with politics"? Why should anybody except the folks who ask him to speak care about the size of Obama's speaking fees? Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
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Percy Member Posts: 22493 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
NoNukes writes: What is your problem with the speaking fees Obama can "command" and how do those fees "perverts not just the political process but everything associated with politics"? Why should anybody except the folks who ask him to speak care about the size of Obama's speaking fees? I didn't say that speaking fees pervert anything. The size of the fees is a symptom, not a cause. It is the considerable value of political influence that is the cause. --Percy
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1431 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Can you post Some evidence for voter fraud to Free For All?
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Percy Member Posts: 22493 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Well, that was a chaotic week. Here are Trump-related events from the past week:
This is from memory - did I forget anything? Even just what I remember makes this the worst first week in presidential history. --Percy
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kjsimons Member Posts: 822 From: Orlando,FL Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
On the last bulleted item you could add that he's going to launch an investigation into this "large scale voter fraud" especially in the "big states" (i.e. California and New York).
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Percy Member Posts: 22493 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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Reagan was often described as the Teflon president because negative news and outcomes just didn't seem to stick to him. It looks like we again have a Teflon president, but in a different sense: with Trump it is facts that just seem to slide off. An editorial in today's New York Times, Can Donald Trump Handle the Truth?, sums up the problem pretty well:
quote: --Percy
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4443 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0
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This is the essence of Mr. Trump: selling himself or his plans by massaging and embellishing facts, or simply making them up and hoping everyone plays along. After Trump sent his press secretary, Sean Spicer, out to make statements about the inauguration crowd that were clearly lies, Kellyanne Conway told Chuck Todd on Meet the Press that the administration had their own "Alternate Facts." To his credit Todd stated that there is no such thing as alternate facts, that those are untruths.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
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herebedragons Member (Idle past 884 days) Posts: 1517 From: Michigan Joined:
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did I forget anything? How about when he tweeted that if Chicago didn't fix their crime problem he wold send in the Feds. That statement deeply disturbed me. Later someone on his staff said he meant he would send federal help, but that is certainly not the tone of his tweet. His statement was threatening and suggestive of a police state solution. *shivers* HBDWhoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca "Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem. Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9509 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
After a couple of hundred years, it looks like you got yourself a monarch again.
I'm deeply sorry.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1431 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
After a couple of hundred years, it looks like you got yourself a monarch again. I'm deeply sorry. We revolted before we can be revolting again ... by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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