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Tangle
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Message 6 of 184 (797267)
01-15-2017 6:01 PM


Oh hello, Micky's back knocking on the door, throwing dog turds into the room, then running away laughing and telling all his mates at EFT what a blast he's having winding up all those non-believers at EVC
It's getting tedious Micky, how long are you going to stick around this time making a smell before you run away again without answering anything or learning anything? Don't you feel a fraud churning out the crap that even you know is crap? It's just narcissism isn't it? Do you come back here and read your posts and think how clever you are?
I don't suppose you care much what we think about you and your fake arguments, after all that's not the point is it? But you and your kind are doing a lot of harm to your belief system by your egotism, disingenuity, and, let's be frank, plain lies. When are you going to get real with us Mike?

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"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Message 21 of 184 (797341)
01-17-2017 6:26 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Modulous
01-17-2017 7:41 AM


Re: feed the trolls
Modulous writes:
My rebuttals are not merely meant for Mike's benefit, there are others that stray this way too.
I think you should save your rebuttals for those worthy of them.
Our lurkers have seen all these nonsenses many times before plus their rebuttals.
Mike has a history here which we should recognise and not rise to. He's a self-confessed troll who needs to be called on it every time he drives by, not treated like a new member genuinely seking intelligent debate.
If he mends his ways, fine. But until then don't feed him. It makes us look silly - which is his goal.

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"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 23 of 184 (797345)
01-17-2017 8:18 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Modulous
01-17-2017 7:06 PM


Re: feed the trolls
modulous writes:
Being right doesn't make one look silly.
You being right is not irrelevant to him. He has a different agenda to you. You make yourself look silly by not accepting and recognising that.
I am gratified. I have had lurkers thank me, even for rebuttals of PRATTs. This is gratifying. If Mike is gratified by my having composed and posted said rebuttals, it concerns me not.
So what we have here is two narcissists feeding each other. Really? Aren't you clevere than that?
If your goal is to thwart Mike's gratification, I dare say you are in danger of failing.
As long as you or anyone else keeps on feeding him, you're correct.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Tangle
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Message 31 of 184 (797375)
01-19-2017 7:23 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by Pressie
01-19-2017 4:08 AM


Re: feed the trolls
Pressie writes:
Not really. New lurkers come here all the time.
They therefore need to have the trolls pointed out to them quickly.
Btw, the majority of the lurkers are likely to be robots, not people.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Tangle
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Message 48 of 184 (797985)
01-30-2017 7:43 AM
Reply to: Message 46 by mike the wiz
01-30-2017 7:20 AM


Mike writes:
It's no big deal, and I myself feel no need to place any great focus on nebraska man
Well given that a single tooth was misidentified in 1922 and retracted by further scientific work in 1927, you're right to call it no big deal. In fact, it's no deal at all is it? It has no baring on anything whatsoever.
Except, of course, if you have a need to troll.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Tangle
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Message 55 of 184 (798000)
01-30-2017 8:51 AM
Reply to: Message 50 by mike the wiz
01-30-2017 7:50 AM


Mike writes:
But if you're honest, a big deal is nevertheless made of fragmentary bones,
If you wish to be honest, you need to accept that no big deal is made of anything in this tiny part biology by the scientists. These are archane areas of research that only come into the public sphere because some primitive religious believers fear that it contradicts their belief systems. What is happening is the normal scientific discourse where finds are discussed amongst specialists until a concensus emerges. Some of these things are rowed about for years. It has no baring on the overall concensus. It only interests creationists who need to make something out of nothing because they can't find anything of consequence to say.
How can I avoid making mention of examples evolutionists have given of evolution they recanted? It is simply part of the history.
Well obviously you can't. But equally obviously only corrected science is relevant. Do you dismiss Newtonian gravitional theory because a small part of it was wrong? How about flat earth? Science makes progress through discovery, correction and improvement. Only a fool with a personal agenda would look at a couple of corrected errors made over a 100 years ago and conclude from that that the settled science of evolution as it is today is in any doubt. Utter twaddle.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 63 of 184 (798072)
01-30-2017 4:14 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by mike the wiz
01-30-2017 12:24 PM


Mike writes:
Well, that's not what I was doing anyway,
Don't be disingenuous. You are raising hundred year old frauds and errors that science itself corrected for no other reason than to imply that because such things happened the entire edifice of human evolution and therefore evolutionary theory itself is in doubt. How many of your precious fallacies does that process contravene?
Yes, when we're talking about trolls, I've noticed that primarily your posts seems to consist of tomato throwing.
In your case, perhaps. I'm calling you a troll because that's what you do. You come here every few months, throw in a handful of many times refuted, ancient claims, sprinked with rediculous pseudo-philosophical, fake logic then disappear for a few months to claim your triumphs over at EFT - a site that won't allow free debate.
You are a sham and a charlatan Mike, and yes, that is ad hominem. But being true, it is not a fallacy. Think about it. Objectively if you can.
Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 65 of 184 (798081)
01-30-2017 5:51 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by Admin
01-30-2017 4:47 PM


Re: Moderator Warning
I accept the decree that we should refute spurious argument with fact and evidence.
That alone is the reason why this place is by far the best place to argue these issues.
However, it would be entirely wrong and naive to ignore the posting history, bad character, and corrupt agenda of a known disingenuous poster.
The witness has 'previous' - this is evidence of propensity to commit similar offences. To treat him as a virgin poster would be silly.
But, of course, I bow to the will of the court.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 67 of 184 (798254)
02-01-2017 10:43 AM
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02-01-2017 7:01 AM


Re: Moderator Warning
Yup, previous convictions - 'previous' - must=’priors'.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 120 of 184 (809158)
05-16-2017 1:05 PM
Reply to: Message 116 by Davidjay
05-16-2017 12:50 PM


Re: And all our ancestors are now extinct
I think Davidjay has been asleep for 150 years.
"Is man an ape or an angel? My Lord, I am on the side of the angels. I repudiate with indignation and abhorrence these new-fangled theories."
Disraeli
In 1842, Queen Victoria went to London Zoo. She was not amused:
"The orang-outang is too wonderful he is frightfully, and painfully, and disagreeably human."

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 159 of 184 (818349)
08-27-2017 11:34 AM
Reply to: Message 157 by Porkncheese
08-27-2017 9:12 AM


Re: Not one fossil
Porkncheese writes:
What is the term for that position anyway. I don't accept religion nor do I accept the biological theory.
There are few terms for it, the most polite probably being 'confused'.
From the remarks you've made so far about biological theory you plainly don't actually know what it is, so it's not a matter of not accepting it, you need to understand it first. You appear to have absorbed a lot of religious hogwash about it.
Stick around here and listen to what is said and you'll be in a position to accept it or not - at the moment you're denying something that isn't biology.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 165 of 184 (818377)
08-27-2017 4:18 PM
Reply to: Message 160 by Porkncheese
08-27-2017 3:30 PM


Porkncheese writes:
Ok you can all begin your attack on me now...
It sounds as though this is what you want to happen. Why would we? It seems to me that you're just confused; you've got a very mixed up idea of what evolution is and you're frustrated that biology isn't mathematics. Well if you think biology isn't exact, don't ever look into the social sciences. You'll only get attacked if you turn out to be a creationist trying it on or if we spend a lot of time trying to explain things, providing you with evidence and you continue to mis-represent it. It happens a lot here.
In biology you're not looking a V=I*R, you're looking at accumulating vast quantities of data and building connections and correlations, creating hypotheses and testing them against real observations. With the theory of evolution - ToE - we have 150 years of accumulated facts and thought which has now got the the stage were it's almost impossible to be wrong.
Don't dismiss this out of hand, it's clear that you barely know the first thing about it and what you think you know is wrong. If you really are a scientist, you need to approach this with a scientific mind - at the moment you don't sound like one. Prove us wrong.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Tangle
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Message 181 of 184 (818417)
08-28-2017 9:10 AM
Reply to: Message 172 by Porkncheese
08-27-2017 11:59 PM


Re: Great scientific responses
Porkncheese writes:
Why do you suppose Richard Dawkins is unable to explain the begininmg of life in this next clip? And why do you suppose Mr Dawkins admits that the theory of evolutional may in fact be incorrect?
We don't debate bare links or youtube videos. Make the point you want to make in your own words.
For the record, the ToE is about the origin of species, not the origin of life. No-one yet knows the origin of life, though there are some strong hypothesis.
You're coming across like a routine creationists - all the usual silly argument and misconceptions, have you spent as much time trying to understand the ToE from non-religious sources as you have spent on creationist sites?

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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