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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1768 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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PaulK Member Posts: 18059 Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
Why should you worry about the Muslims ? You say pretty much the same about the Catholics and they have a far stronger position in the U.S. When you consider how many Catholics are on the Supreme Court you should be very afraid. And glad that Scalia is gone.
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 1768 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
This idea that I have some personal need to believe Islam is evil makes no sense. Because I'm a Christian I supposedly have to believe this? Why? What could possibly be my motive? Why wouldn't I prefer that all the other religions be benign? Most of them are, it makes evangelism a lot easier when they aren't satanically committed to killing the messenger. My only motive is to expose the truth for the sake of people who are in bondage to dangerous lies. Period.
This is just one of the many eye-poppingly absurd accusations that get thrown at me. Again, there is something so seriously wrong with the leftist mind it defies all reason.
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ringo Member (Idle past 736 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
In Soviet Union, reason defies YOU. Again, there is something so seriously wrong with the leftist mind it defies all reason.![]()
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 1768 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Why should you worry about the Muslims ? You say pretty much the same about the Catholics and they have a far stronger position in the U.S. When you consider how many Catholics are on the Supreme Court you should be very afraid. And glad that Scalia is gone. You are misrepresenting what I've said on this so many times you are without excuse. I've over and over said there are plenty of good but deceived Catholics, many Catholic conservatives who are true American patriots in spite of the Vatican and the Jesuits. Inquisitional Catholicism has gone underground since the Reformation so that it has been able to position itself in nations deceptively clothed as sheep, taking advantage of the fact that few people know anything about history, and as a matter of fact they've rewritten history in many cases to promote the deception. In reality the RCC is one of the two legs of the Roman Empire depicted in the book of Daniel, or one of the two horns of one of the beasts of Revelation, I forget which, maybe both, the other leg or horn being Islam, which together constitute the enormous Antichrist system which is to come to power in the Great Tribulation and persecute the saints of God, as most current theology understands it. I remain somewhat ambivalent about that theological school but I have to admit it fits the biblical evidence better than any of the others. They say Christian believers will be "raptured" off the earth before God's wrath falls on the planet, much of that wrath to be executed through the satanic viciousness of Islam and the RCC. The theology of this view seems to suggest that millions of Muslims and Catholics will wake up to the truth during this period, become martyrs for Christ and join the beheaded martyrs under the altar, or the great multitude waving palm branches, both depicted in the book of Revelation. As with Muslims, Catholics are in bondage to a lie (God says "Come out of her, My people) and the Christian thing to do would be to try to free them from it rather than pretend their religion is Christian, and a start in that direction is to try to reveal the truth about these things. Even in the teeth of such hatred of the truth as is encountered at EvC.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: |
Self awareness is something you woefully lack.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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PaulK Member Posts: 18059 Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
But surely many Muslims are good people, too.
And you did argue that Catholics should be denied the right to hold political office because of the threat they posed. If Catholics have failed to take over the U.S. despite all their advantages, why should Muslims be considered a threat ?
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 1768 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I don't want to argue with your nonsense any more, but I'll say that if you don't hate evil you are not a Christian. And not one thing I've said expresses an iota of fear, that's your own projection.
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ringo Member (Idle past 736 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
... if you don't hate evil you are not a Christian.quote:i.e. Christians are just as "evil" as Muslims.
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 1768 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
But surely many Muslims are good people, too. And you did argue that Catholics should be denied the right to hold political office because of the threat they posed. If Catholics have failed to take over the U.S. despite all their advantages, why should Muslims be considered a threat ? I already said more than once that Muslims are not bad people. I even quoted that very line from the post on the 109 verses that advocate killing or otherwise dominating and persecuting nonMuslims. They said this is not about bad people, it's about bad ideology. And that's the same thing with the RCC. Some Catholics have a very simple Christian view, but most Catholics believe pagan lies that have made up the core of superstition the RCC has embraced bit by bit down the centuries, which is what prompted the Protestant Reformation. Muslims too may practice a simple benign form of their religion, OR they may embrace the violence in it. They are personally dangerous to others because of their violent ideology, whereas the Catholics are merely personally deceived and deprived of genuine Christian belief. It is the Vatican, the papacy, that is dangerous when they are in power as they were throughout the Middle Ages in Europe. When that happens Catholics will be forced to choose between the papacy and their own inherent sense of righteousness.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1729 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Coretta King was misled. Sessions has a good civil rights record, and plenty of others have said so. Stop telling falsehoods faith. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 1768 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
i.e. Christians are just as "evil" as Muslims. Read the other posts. You are missing the point. I'm using "evil" in the sense of doing intentional harm to others, not in the sense of being sinners, and it is the IDEOLOGY that prescribes this evil, it is NOT ABOUT THE PEOPLE, THE MUSLIMS THEMSELVES. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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vimesey Member (Idle past 396 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined:
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Let me try another approach.
In the Bible, it states that God decrees that the punishment for working on the Sabbath is being stoned to death. That's pretty clear - there's no confusion apparent in the verse - you work on a Sunday, you're dead, end of story. There's no verse that explicitly states that that requirement is repealed. I'm a lawyer, and I can tell you that I would need a lot more clarity before I advised a client to work on a Sabbath, if we were governed by biblical law. Their relatives would sue the pants off me if I did. Now I know that you and other Christians believe that Jesus wiped away that law - and I'm extremely happy you do. But the basis upon which you believe that is very convoluted. It involves interpretations and references to history and practice, and above all an appeal to belief. You turn to scholarly debate and interpretation, because the language is completely nonspecific and vague and open to interpretation. So when we point out that the Bible advocates this brutal practice, you tell us that a proper Christian interpretation is that this is an incorrect view. And that is precisely what the vast majority of Muslims do when it comes to the Quran. They explain why their religion does not in fact include following the more outrageous and brutal things that people can cherry pick if they're minded to. So you're allowing yourself to explain away the brutal aspects of the Bible, but not allowing Muslims to explain away the brutal aspects of the Quran. There's the basic problem. (And the double standard is not explained by the lying thing - the vast majority of Muslims take the relevant passages (which are pretty broad, and don't say what you've been told they say) to mean they can lie about being a Muslim to save themselves from being killed etc., not as a nefarious method of taking over the world). And of course there are extremist fundamentalist Muslims who are vile specimens of humanity - just as there are extremist fundamentalist believers of other faiths. But they are in the overall minority - most people of faith in my experience are broadly kind, attentive and peace-loving. So apply the same standards - either admit that the Bible is a brutal, warmongering, tribal handbook, or do what you want us to do with you, and listen to what actual Muslims actually say about their faith.Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 1768 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
There is no other reasonable conclusion considering that so many have testified that Sessions has an excellent civil rights record.
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ringo Member (Idle past 736 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
But the people, the Muslims themselves, DO NOT HAVE the fantasy ideology that you project on them. The terrorists are a handful of whackos with an ideology that has nothing to do with Islam.
...it is the IDEOLOGY that prescribes this evil, it is NOT ABOUT THE PEOPLE, THE MUSLIMS THEMSELVES.
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 1768 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Thank you for that bit of psychoanalysis. Sure makes posting at EvC a delightful experience when I get such intelligent insightful appraisals of my character undermining every true thing I say.
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