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Author Topic:   A very brief history of Human Life
Tangle
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Message 15 of 59 (798684)
02-04-2017 3:52 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Faith
02-04-2017 10:24 AM


Re: It's a human being at every stage of life
Faith writes:

It's just a self-serving rationalization to think you can kill it at any stage and not be murdering a human being.

Well I never thought I'd say this, but I think you're right.

When we abort a foetus we are deliberately stopping a human life. This is different from preventing a life from starting or from a life naturally aborting - we intervened. We all know this to be the case, it's an inescapable fact of the situation, but we rationalise and excuse it.

I support abortion, but I don't think we should hide from the reality of the situation.

Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 17 of 59 (798687)
02-04-2017 4:25 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Theodoric
02-04-2017 3:59 PM


Re: It's a human being at every stage of life
Theodoric writes:

That would be why it is a very difficult, emotional decision for most people.

Yes. For many, if not most, it's probably something never forgotten.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 19 of 59 (798722)
02-05-2017 3:25 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by Faith
02-05-2017 1:49 AM


Re: It's a human being at every stage of life
Faith writes:

I've always found that to be a very strange attitude,

Our attitude to the 'sanctity' of life has always been contradictory and flexible. There's no point pretending otherwise.

We die attempting to save the life a stranger whilst carpet bombing a village in another country. We calculate the cost/benefit of collateral damage in war, whilst providing aid programmes. You say that abortion is murder yet support the death penalty. I say the reverse.

People are awash with moral contradiction.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 21 of 59 (798730)
02-05-2017 4:16 AM
Reply to: Message 20 by Faith
02-05-2017 3:45 AM


Re: It's a human being at every stage of life
Faith writes:

There is no moral contradiction in saving the life of an innocent unborn while approving of legally prescribed death for a criminal.

Laws are made by people Faith, and the USA is the last modern democracy to murder its criminals. To its shame.

Like I say, we all rationalise our beliefs. It's just that some of us understand that that is what we're doing.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 36 of 59 (798804)
02-05-2017 3:00 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by Faith
02-05-2017 2:42 PM


Re: It's a human being at every stage of life
He's got you Faith. If you believe that abortion is murder, then the people involved in the deed deserve death themselves - according to your own beliefs. it's not a word game, it's the logic of your beliefs.

What you indulged in in your response was the rationalisation we're talking about and you previously agreed with.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 39 of 59 (798812)
02-05-2017 3:34 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by Faith
02-05-2017 3:02 PM


Re: It's a human being at every stage of life
1. Abortion is murder
2. Murderers should be executed
3. Therefore those who abort children should be executed

I'm finding it difficult to spot the straw man. It's not like he's got many places to hide.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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