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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Porosity writes:
That only goes back to the 1970s. We've had significant third parties at least as far back as the 1920s and 30s - notably Labour, Progressive, CCF, Social Credit - when there was little or no regulation.
private funding. Canada's federal election finance laws put limits on contributions to political parties and candidates. Only individuals not corporations or trade unions may donate.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Parliamentary vs Presidential system
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Theodoric writes:
I know we don't have separate executive and legislative branches but what does that have to do with third parties?
Parliamentary vs Presidential system
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1431 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
... We've had significant third parties at least as far back as the 1920s and 30s - notably Labour, Progressive, CCF, Social Credit - when there was little or no regulation. Ballot access restrictions are part of the equation: http://www.sciencedirect.com/...rticle/pii/S0176268004000527
quote: For instance neither Jill Stein nor Gary Johnson were on the ballots in all states. The requirements vary from state to state. Two-party system - Wikipedia
quote: quote: In the US presidential elections the winner must have >50% of the electoral votes, so third parties can disrupt this from happening (throwing the election into the House to decide who they want to be president, and it doesn't have to be a candidate -- this is what should have happened between Bush jr and Gore). The electoral votes are won by "first past the post" (most votes whether majority or not), but all the electoral votes are then allotted by "winner take all" in every state but two, and this tends to put 3rd parties at an extreme disadvantage. This filters to down ballot candidates when people vote for all the party candidates with a single pick on the ballot. For example Perot (running as independent) predominantly took votes from Bush senior in many states, so Clinton won those states by "first past the post" and took all their electoral votes by "winner take all" and that gave him the election. So it is a two-step process, get more votes than other candidates to get all the state electoral votes to win the presidency. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
The Electoral College is a factor in Presidential elections but what about the Senate and House? What prevents third parties there?
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
There are some and they have even elected some Representatives but of course the have little or no power in Congress. There were even third parties at the Presidential level but again, they simply have not attracted enough support. There are two Independents in the Senate.
The only Third Party that has organizations in all 50 sates is the Libertarian Party. The Green Party has organizations in 44 states while the Constitution Party has organizations in just over 20 states.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1431 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
... but what about the Senate and House? What prevents third parties there? We do see more in state houses, there has even an independent Governor fairly recently. Many rep and sen votes are because of entire ticket votes, and the two parties fighting for president become strong parties in the states. The party in power as governor rules how elections are run, how the ballots are organized and what you have to do to get on the ballot. Then you have issues like gerrymandering that affect how the opposition party, to say nothing of 3rd parties, can get elected. The system is rigged by the party in power, which means you need a strong single contender to beat it. by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
The Electoral College is a factor in Presidential elections but what about the Senate and House? What prevents third parties there? There is usually an Independent party candidate or two among the Congress folk. But those folk pretty much have to caucus with one or the other of the major parties in order to get anything done. Sanders is an Independent party Senator. Generally speaking a few congress folk among a bunch of other folk are pretty ineffective unless they are in a position to determine outcomes with their votes. That makes it hard to get elected. Usually those folks are former Democrats or Republicans. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
RAZD writes:
That explains a lot. Our system is more top-down. There are differences from province to province but they don't go much beyond opening and closing times for polling stations.
The party in power as governor rules how elections are run, how the ballots are organized and what you have to do to get on the ballot.
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Percy Member Posts: 22490 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
Congress blocks rule barring mentally impaired from guns:
quote: These are truly bizarre times. --Percy
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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quote: Sid is really creeping me out. He asks questions like why he can't scratch his ear with his foot? His dog can! You worry about little stuff but Rep. Jason Chaffetz is looking out for the rest of us.
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Congress is proposing even greater cuts to Medicaid as well as adding a work requirement and changing to a block grant program to allow States to decide who to cover and what to cover.
source And they are not even offering to buy dinner after the fuck job.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2
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As a matter of fact they are taking the dinner away.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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This Congress seems to be Hooded Robin' instead of Robin Hood; its policy seems to be rob the poor and give to the rich. Take health care from the masses and give tax breaks to the rich.
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1530 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
So the Pubs are going to vote on Trump care. The hold outs will most likely cave.
Wouldn't it be hilarious if someone slipped in a exact copy of Obama care as the new bill and it passes sight unseen? Because believe me no one knows wtf is in it at this point."You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs |
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