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Topic: The Trump Presidency
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PaulK
Member Posts: 17825 Joined: 01-10-2003 Member Rating: 2.2
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Message 406 of 4573 (799853)
02-16-2017 11:55 PM
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Reply to: Message 400 by Percy
02-16-2017 5:47 PM
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Re: Trump Press Conference: Surreal
In other words, Trump was Trump. Everything he likes is the greatest ever, everything he doesn't is a disaster. And anyone who disagrees is lying. This is exactly how he has been acting on Twitter. It should surprise nobody who has been following his recent actions.
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Porosity
Member (Idle past 2114 days) Posts: 158 From: MT, USA Joined: 06-15-2013
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Re: Trump Press Conference: Surreal
And Trump voters loved it. It's a crying shame Bernie did not get elected. Now Trump supporters can't get the mental health care they so desperately need.
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vimesey
Member (Idle past 93 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined: 09-21-2011
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Message 408 of 4573 (799855)
02-17-2017 2:06 AM
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Reply to: Message 407 by Porosity
02-17-2017 12:44 AM
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Re: Trump Press Conference: Surreal
Democracy's greatest weakness will always be that the large majority of voters will lack the capacity, or experience, or time to understand in sufficient depth, the issues upon which they are voting - and its greatest tragedy that they will believe the contrary. Edited by vimesey, : Autocorrect's incorrect grammar. Edited by vimesey, : No reason given.
Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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NoNukes
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Re: Trump Press Conference: Surreal
And Trump voters loved it. This is exactly what I expected. Despite the fact that Trump's approval ratings are in the toilet. Every poll I have seen suggests that 90% of Trump voters feel the opposite of the way that I and most posters here feel about Trump's performance to date. At least part of that is because what I view as Trump successes are largely things I am not in favor of, for example getting those pipeline projects going again and putting holes in the ACA. It may well be that Trump's decision that the IRS is not going to check to see if folks are supposed to pay the penalty for not having insurance will kill the ACA off. Another part is that folks in favor of keeping all Muslim's out of the country probably share Trump's view regarding the courts putting his orders on hold. Finally, what many folks saw as a bumbling fool putting on a press conference probably looked to some folks like a non-politician doing his best to stand up to media folks that they already disbelieve. From that CNN article quoted by ThinAirDesign:
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According to the latest CNN poll, 90% of Republicans approve of the way Trump has handled the presidency thus far. Often left out of the media narrative are the reasons why Republicans feel this way. GOP voters look to the President and see a litany of accomplishments: a soaring stock market, withdrawal from the Trans-Pacific Partnership, elimination of job-killing regulations, expedited permit approval, a hiring freeze on nonessential federal workers and a task force for reducing violent crime, among others. All this in just three weeks.
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
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jar
Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 410 of 4573 (799873)
02-17-2017 6:52 AM
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Fun Facts
Mar a Largo sits 3 meters above sea level. Good thing Global Warming is another hoax.
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LamarkNewAge
Member Posts: 2313 Joined: 12-22-2015
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Message 411 of 4573 (799906)
02-17-2017 3:49 PM
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Reply to: Message 385 by NoNukes
02-15-2017 4:44 PM
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Can we please stop making arguments from ignorance?
Here is a quote from Theodoric, and understand that it was a response to a post about the threat of nationalism and nationalistic views.
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What the fuck does the fact a person is Puerto Rican or black have to do with any of your drivel?
Then NoNukes
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regard to how Greeks are viewed in the black community, your conclusion is equally full of shite. Yes, there are some anti-semitic black folks, cannot argue with that, but is that really some major thing in the black community? Absolutely not. Some whites are anti-semitic. Can we conclude that the white community hates Jews?
Google https://www.washingtonpost.com/...n-among-blacks-and-latinos rant are actually on topic. The rest is your usual.
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The Volokh Conspiracy Entrenched anti-Semitic views very rare among whites and Asian Americans, common among blacks and Latinos By David Bernstein February 19, 2014 According this article, ADL surveys show that approximately 12 percent of Americans hold deeply entrenched anti-Semitic views. However, over 30% of African Americans and Latinos hold such views. Given that they are almost 30% of the population, this suggests that of the 12% of Americans who hold deeply entrenched anti-Semitic views, 9% or so are African Americans or Latinos. This means, in turn, of the 70% or so of the population that is not African American or Latino, only 3% hold deeply entrenched anti-Semitic views. Put another way, less than 5% of whites, Asians, and others (including Native Americans) combined hold deeply entrenched anti-Semitic views, compared to over 30% of African Americans and LatinosVor at least thats the difference in percentages of those willing to express anti-Semitic attitudes to pollsters.
Also see "Facing Up to Black Anti-Semitism | commentary" Facing Up to Black Anti-Semitism - Joshua Muravchik, Commentary Magazine (I will avoid too many personal observation stories, but I can assure you that Jews often get shouted at by senile old blacks, who often speak their minds openly, on the streets of New York. Just like senile old whites often let their feelings be known, by openly shouting the N word, when they are too old/stupid to moderate the line between their racist thoughts and words. One of my best friends is a Palestinian born Orthodox Jew, and he gets shouted at often. I get caught in the crossfire and only days ago was just approached and called a "hooknose" by a senile old fool who thought I practiced Judaism or something.) (I don't like sharing these types of stories because they can often get selective and very often just add to confusion, when we have enough already) But understand that I was also talking about common mainstream media reports of Russia financing the various anti E.U. right-wing nationalistic parties in Europe. I find nationalism disturbing for so many reasons. Where it comes from, I really don't know, as I admitted frankly in my post. But I ask for folks to use a little humility in the search for answers, and I will try to avoid questioning the motives of individuals in return. I see ignorance as creating a climate that enabled Trump to rise, so I tend to make attempts to identify and combat (however futile?) the root causes.
{content hidden - too divergent from the topic, and too likely to result in even further divergences see Message 387 and Message 392 -- AdminModulous} Edited by AdminModulous, : No reason given.
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jar
Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 412 of 4573 (799914)
02-17-2017 6:02 PM
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about those leaks ...
Of all the places to find a nugget Vanity Fair seldom made it to my search list but today one short paragraph did catch my eye. I guees you can't get more alternative media than Vanity Fair:
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Don't assume a united front at the Mar-a-Lago country club in Palm Beach with the boss now the president and various benefits accruing to them as a result. "Saying that the noisy group was really getting on his nerves, Mar-a-Lago country club member Walter Forsyth reportedly complained to the management Thursday about the obnoxious U.S. cabinet meeting seated at the next table. 'I just wanted a nice, quiet dinner, but this rowdy table of high-ranking government officials keeps rudely shouting about classified policy initiatives,' said Forsyth, adding that more than a dozen raucous aides and advisors had pulled up chairs to a table that was clearly only meant to seat six."
That pretty much sums up this Administration it seems.
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jar
Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 413 of 4573 (799915)
02-17-2017 6:12 PM
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Trump named in over fifty lawsuits so far
So far Donald Trump has been named in over 50 Federal case lawsuits in 17 States between being sworn in on January 20th and February 1st. For Obama the number was 3 while Bill Clinton and G.W. Bush were named in 4. That is a HUGE number.
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NoNukes
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Message 414 of 4573 (799928)
02-17-2017 9:01 PM
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Op ed piece written prior to the election results in firing.
HUD official fired for criticizing Trump | CNN Politics Republican consultant Shermichael Singleton was fired for an op-ed he wrote before the election that criticized.
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Donald Trump portrays our inner cities is as if they are the ailments of American society and should be exterminated and swiftly removed," Singleton wrote in the op-ed. "He never mentions the many hardworking, good and honest people who are simply trying the best they can to achieve their share of the American dream.
Of course, there is no legal principle that says that you cannot fire someone for their political opinion or party affiliation. Nonetheless, some stuff sure seems petty.
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
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Adminnemooseus
Administrator Posts: 3974 Joined: 09-26-2002
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Message 415 of 4573 (799935)
02-17-2017 9:29 PM
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Reply to: Message 413 by jar
02-17-2017 6:12 PM
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Re: Trump named in over fifty lawsuits so far
Links/references please. Moose/Adminnemooseus
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jar
Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: Trump named in over fifty lawsuits so far
I said that was from Vanity Fair but simply Googling "Trump named in over fifty lawsuits so far" will bring up many, many, many, many, many, many references to the story. It is NOT under reported.
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jar
Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 417 of 4573 (799943)
02-18-2017 7:53 AM
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Stephen Miller interview
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MILLER: Well, I think that it's been an important reminder to all Americans that we have a judiciary that has taken far too much power and become, in many cases, a supreme branch of government. One unelected judge in Seattle cannot remake laws for the entire country. I mean this is just crazy, John, the idea that you have a judge in Seattle say that a foreign national living in Libya has an effective right to enter the United States is -- is -- is beyond anything we've ever seen before. The end result of this, though, is that our opponents, the media and the whole world will soon see as we begin to take further actions, that the powers of the president to protect our country are very substantial and will not be questioned.
From Steven Miller's Face The Nation interview last Sunday. Now if that don't scare folk nothing will.
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ThinAirDesigns
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Message 418 of 4573 (799946)
02-18-2017 11:44 AM
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Reply to: Message 417 by jar
02-18-2017 7:53 AM
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Re: Stephen Miller interview
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Tangle
Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: 10-07-2011 Member Rating: 4.7
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Message 419 of 4573 (799947)
02-18-2017 1:16 PM
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Reply to: Message 417 by jar
02-18-2017 7:53 AM
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Re: Stephen Miller interview
Jawohl, Mien Fuhrer
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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RAZD
Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: 03-14-2004
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Message 420 of 4573 (799950)
02-18-2017 2:47 PM
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Reply to: Message 417 by jar
02-18-2017 7:53 AM
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Re: Stephen Miller interview
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... the media and the whole world will soon see as we begin to take further actions, that the powers of the president to protect our country are very substantial and will not be questioned.
No, comments like that will be soundly mocked, laughed at and ridiculed, because, no Stephen, the president's powers are limited by the constitution, which he swore to uphold.
READ IT HERE with special reference to Constitutional Topic: Separation of Powers
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Three branches are created in the Constitution. The Legislative, composed of the House and Senate, is set up in Article 1. The Executive, composed of the President, Vice-President, and the Departments, is set up in Article 2. The Judicial, composed of the federal courts and the Supreme Court, is set up in Article 3. Each of these branches has certain powers, and each of these powers is limited, or checked, by another branch. For example, the President appoints judges and departmental secretaries. But these appointments must be approved by the Senate. The Congress can pass a law, but the President can veto it. The Supreme Court can rule a law to be unconstitutional, but the Congress, with the States, can amend the Constitution. All of these checks and balances, however, are inefficient. But that's by design rather than by accident. By forcing the various branches to be accountable to the others, no one branch can usurp enough power to become dominant. The following are the powers of the Judiciary: the power to try federal cases and interpret the laws of the nation in those cases; the power to declare any law or executive act unconstitutional. The checks can be found on the Checks and Balances Page.
The judiciary has the power to declare any law or executive act unconstitutional. End.of.argument. Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : .
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