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marc9000
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Message 436 of 4573 (800066)
02-19-2017 5:40 PM
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Re: I keep hearing claims of folk hating Trump but ...
I'm waiting for him to say that the founders intended for the constitution to apply to all people of the world. Once he does that, I'm turning on him!!

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02-19-2017 6:50 PM
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02-19-2017 5:40 PM


Re: I keep hearing claims of folk hating Trump but ...
marc writes:
I'm waiting for him to say that the founders intended for the constitution to apply to all people of the world.
Which of course is not something anyone other than you have said. Oh, and of course the Founding Fathers who said that "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness." Note, it does not say US citizens.
All Men are created equal. Illegal Aliens are created equal. They too deserve Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. And the US Constitution then expands on those basics and says that if they are within the borders of the US they are also entitled to the protection afforded under Articles IV-X of the US Constitution.

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Message 438 of 4573 (800073)
02-19-2017 7:15 PM
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02-19-2017 5:36 PM


Re: Reaction to the Trump Press Conference
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How absolutely true it is is subjective,...
The truth is subjective to you? Lies are subjective? The long and short of seems to be that no, you have no examples of the press lying about Trump.
Thin skinned?? He's actually incredibly thick skinned,...
Trump, thick-skinned? Who are you kidding? He's the most vain and sensitive and conceited person in the public eye that I can remember. His victory was the best, and if you say otherwise you're just sad. His inauguration was the biggest, and if you doubt it then he'll start an investigation. His refugee ban was his presidential right, and if you rule against him then you're a "so-called judge" or a "court in turmoil." If Saturday Night Live makes a parody of him then they're just sad and not funny anymore. If a newspaper says negative things about him then they're failing. He can't stand people criticizing him or standing up to him.
The U.S. is almost $20 trillion in debt. I can guarantee you that his voters didn't vote for a honeymoon.
You're really pretending you don't know about the traditional honeymoon period when the opponents and the press let bygones be bygones and everyone gets behind the new administration for a while? Trump could have had one, but within one day of his inauguration he'd already lit into the press, calling fake news descriptions of the crowds as smaller than those at Obama's.
And you believe Trump is less capable of addressing that than the alternative, Hillary Clinton, or Sanders?
I believe Trump incapable of governing. The already demonstrated incompetence, inexperience and Twitterfied impulsiveness and immaturity makes it obvious.
--Percy
Edited by Percy, : Grammar.

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marc9000
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Message 439 of 4573 (800077)
02-19-2017 7:38 PM
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02-19-2017 7:15 PM


Re: Reaction to the Trump Press Conference
The truth is subjective to you?
No, you'd have to refer back to what I was actually responding to. Claims of the extent of just how dishonest the news media is, is subjective.
Trump, thick-skinned? Who are you kidding? He's the most vain and sensitive and conceited person in the public eye that I can remember. His victory was the best, and if you say otherwise you're just sad. His inauguration was the biggest, and if you doubt it then he'll start an investigation. His refugee ban was his presidential right, and if you rule against him then you're a "so-called judge" or a "court in turmoil." If Saturday Night Live makes a parody of him then they're just sad and not funny anymore. If a newspaper says negative things about him then they're failing. He can't stand people making criticizing him or standing up to him.
We probably have different definitions of thick, or thin skins. To me he would have a thin skin if he didn't respond at all to the abuse he takes. Or started crying in public like Chuck Schumer. Or quit his presidential run and took his billions and went home. He seemed to enjoy the press conference, in spite of all the hate around him. No stammering, no deer-in-the-headlights look, no red face at all. That takes a thick skin.
You're really pretending you don't know about the traditional honeymoon period when the opponents and the press let bygones be bygones and everyone gets behind the new administration for a while?
And you're pretending that if Trump would have propped up his feet and done nothing for a while that his opponents and the press would have let bygones be bygones? And had no criticism of him? Obama had his honeymoon, and got his cabinet in place long before Trump has. How did he do that on his honeymoon? By having Republican opponents accepting the fact that he won, and not blocking his every move in the first month of his presidency?
I believe Trump incapable of governing. The already demonstrated incompetence, inexperience and Twitterfied impulsiveness and immaturity makes it obvious.
The good thing is, there is no formal evaluation period of his presidency after only one month. The first major evaluation comes in 2018 when, if he's as terrible as you say, the house and senate will be taken over by the opposition, like happened to Clinton in 1994. We'll see if that happens!

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Percy
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Message 440 of 4573 (800081)
02-19-2017 8:08 PM
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02-19-2017 7:38 PM


Re: Reaction to the Trump Press Conference
marc9000 writes:
The truth is subjective to you?
No, you'd have to refer back to what I was actually responding to. Claims of the extent of just how dishonest the news media is, is subjective.
Yes, precisely. You seem to think whether the news media has reported something true is subjective. You seem to be having trouble coming up with any examples of the news media lying, while I can reel off a number of examples of Trump lying.
To me he would have a thin skin if he didn't respond at all to the abuse he takes.
Then you don't know the definition of thin-skinned. Look it up.
And you're pretending that if Trump would have propped up his feet and done nothing for a while that his opponents and the press would have let bygones be bygones? And had no criticism of him?
Okay, you haven't read the thread, let me explain again. Trump is a conservative, we fully expect he is going to pursue conservative policies, and that's fine. But we also expect him to pursue those policies competently while not telling transparent lies, alienating and terrifying our allies, cozying up to our enemies, signing poorly thought out and vetted executive orders, throwing immigration into disarray, threatening the environment, throwing little temper tantrums with the press, and so forth.
The good thing is, there is no formal evaluation period of his presidency after only one month. The first major evaluation comes in 2018 when, if he's as terrible as you say, the house and senate will be taken over by the opposition, like happened to Clinton in 1994. We'll see if that happens!
The Democrats have very little chance of taking over the Senate in 2018 because there are only 8 Republican seats up for reelection and 25 Democratic seats. The chances are even less in the House because Republicans currently hold a 248-192 advantage.
--Percy

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Message 441 of 4573 (800087)
02-19-2017 8:42 PM
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02-19-2017 8:08 PM


Re: Reaction to the Trump Press Conference
You seem to be having trouble coming up with any examples of the news media lying, while I can reel off a number of examples of Trump lying.
Trump is only one guy, only prominently in the news for 18 months. Am I allowed the past few decades of news reporting? I'd say I could easily outnumber yours by, 10 to 1 if I had just a little more time than I actually have. But I can do a few;
quote:
Walter Duranty and the Holodomor:The mother of all fake news stories must beNew York Timesreporter Walter Duranty helping Stalin’s Russia conceal the Holodomor from the world. Duranty helped the communists cover upone of the worst crimes against humanity ever perpetrated, the forced starvation of over 1.5 million people in Ukraine between 1932 and 1933.
This was the worst of many lies Duranty told in the service of Soviet communism. His fake news helped sell communism to impressionable people around the world and changed the course of history. It’s one of two fake news itemson this list sanctified with a Pulitzer Prize, which has not been revoked despite strong calls to do so. (In essence, the Pulitzer committee insists Duranty deserves his prize for everything he wrote thatwasn’tan outrageous lie.)
TheNew York Timesinstitutionally refuses to condemn Duranty or acknowledge the depths of his deception, portraying him as the victim of Stalin’s powerful and omnipresentpropaganda machine — an excuse heard again from the mainstream media in other settings over the years, when they explain how they had to play ball with horrible dictatorships in order to gain access. CNN executive Eason Jordan’s 2003 explanation for why his network concealed so much grisly news from Saddam Hussein’s Iraq is a prime example.
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Janet Cooke’s imaginary 8-year-old heroin addict:The fake news manufactured byWashington Postreporter Janet Cooke received a Pulitzer Prize, but unlike Duranty’s, it was revoked after her deception was uncovered.
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Dateline NBC rigs a truck to explode: In 1993, NBC News delivered a historic public apology for staging the test crash of a General Motors pickup truck for the Dateline NBC program. The reporters wanted to demonstrate that gas could leak from the truck’s fuel tank and cause a dangerous fire after a crash, so they rigged it with explosives.
We deeply regret we included the inappropriate demonstration in our ‘Dateline’ report. We apologize to our viewers and to General Motors. We have also concluded that unscientific demonstrations should have no place in hard news stories at NBC. That’s our new policy, the statement declared, leading viewers with some unresolved questions about why it wasn’t their old policy, too.
Dateline NBC was far from the only example of dubious product-safety reporting. It wasn’t even the first time a vehicle was rigged to explode for a major network consumer report.
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Jayson Blair: New York Times reporter Jayson Blair was investigated by his newspaper in 2003 and accused of inventing numerous reports. He was especially prone to inventing news reports supposedly filed from other cities, while he was in fact working from his apartment in Brooklyn. However, the scandal that ultimately prompted his resignation involved accusations of plagiarism in a story he filed about the family of a soldier missing in Iraq.
12 Fake News Stories from the Mainstream Media
Oh wait, but you may only be talking about lies about Trump. Here's a starter list;
http://www.newsmax.com/...st-media-lies/2015/07/25/id/658877
Running out of time for a lot of c/p ing tonight, maybe I can play more later this week. If you and all your helpers poison my wells, I might have to call into question your sources for Trump's "lies", including the tremendous hate he's enduring at the time of them.

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Message 442 of 4573 (800089)
02-19-2017 9:07 PM
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02-19-2017 8:42 PM


Re: Reaction to the Trump Press Conference
You may have noticed that every one of your examples was also found and reported by ... the main stream media. And in fact the news that the stories were fake was widely reported in each case.
Trump though continues to produce fake news with every public speaking instance. The man seems incapable of either telling the truth or (as happened in the examples you mentioned) acknowledging that what he says is fake news.

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Message 443 of 4573 (800090)
02-19-2017 9:24 PM
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02-19-2017 8:42 PM


Re: Reaction to the Trump Press Conference
The New York Times institutionally refuses to condemn Duranty
This is not true. Not only did they run an editorial describing it as some of the worst reporting in the NYT, but they also hired a historian to write a piece to justify revoking the Pullitzer prize - which they sent to the Pullitzer people. The Chairman and Publisher has publicly condemned the work.

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Message 444 of 4573 (800101)
02-20-2017 2:43 AM


And then there was Sweden
Donald Trump blew it again. Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'
NPR writes:
In the span of a single sentence, President Trump managed to flummox a nation.
"We've got to keep our country safe," Trump said at a campaign-style rally Saturday in Melbourne, Fla. "You look at what's happening in Germany, you look at what's happening last night in Sweden Sweden, who would believe this?"
Swedes, in turn, answered Trump's question with a question of their own: "Wait what?"
On Friday night the night in question a few things did, in fact, happen in Sweden. A Stockholm newspaper helpfully laid out a few of them:
  • Technical problems threatened to derail a performance by singer Owe Thrnqvist.
  • Harsh weather in the north of the country shut down a road.
  • A high-speed chase in Stockholm ended with the driver under arrest.
    Aftonbladet listed a few more, to be sure the trouble is, none of those events fits what Trump implied by including Sweden in a list of places that had recently suffered terrorist attacks.
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    Message 445 of 4573 (800109)
    02-20-2017 4:59 AM
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    Re: And then there was Sweden
    The responses from Sweden have been wonderfully humorous and ironic. Good on them ! :-)

    Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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    Message 446 of 4573 (800112)
    02-20-2017 6:19 AM
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    Re: Reaction to the Trump Press Conference
    I notice you're still not answering the question. What lies has the media told about Trump? What "fake news" have they concocted? Looking down your list at The 10 Biggest Media Lies About Donald Trump, I don't see a single one that I've read anywhere. The news outlets Trump seems to hate most are the New York Times, the Washington Post, and CNN. Just provide links to their articles (not editorial opinion pieces) where they're telling lies about Trump. And not about picayune stuff or mistakes that were corrected. We're talking about persistent blatant lying and/or fabrication, the kind of thing that would justify Trump calling the media "the enemy of the American people."
    --Percy

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    Message 447 of 4573 (800113)
    02-20-2017 6:27 AM
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    Re: And then there was Sweden
    vimesay writes:
    The responses from Sweden have been wonderfully humorous and ironic. Good on them ! :-)
    Personal favourites:
    My thoughts and prayers are with the people of Sweden 🇸🇪 tonight. #WeAreAllSweden
    America, if you start to identify with your captor-President, please call. We can help. #LastNightInSweden #StockholmSyndrome

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    Message 448 of 4573 (800116)
    02-20-2017 6:46 AM
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    Re: And then there was Sweden
    The problem is not so much with the mistaken claim but rather with his response and explanation...I heard a story on Fox News....They let in all those immigrants and now crime is way up.
    I do not doubt that he heard a Fox News Story but it seems that once again what he heard was FAKE NEWS from Faux News.
    But get serious. Do we want a President who get his state of the world briefings from Faux News?

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    Message 449 of 4573 (800117)
    02-20-2017 6:47 AM
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    Re: And then there was Sweden
    Hey, I think that Ikea would be quite pissed off with that. Next time you buy something from them anywhere in the world, they will make sure that you only get 754 578 V's!

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    Message 450 of 4573 (800129)
    02-20-2017 8:12 AM
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    02-19-2017 5:36 PM


    Re: Reaction to the Trump Press Conference
    And you believe Trump is less capable of addressing that than the alternative, Hillary Clinton, or Sanders?
    Unequivocally yes. A thousand times yes.
    The guy thinks Fox News knows more than his own staff (viz. Sweden).

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