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marc9000 Member Posts: 1522 From: Ky U.S. Joined: Member Rating: 1.3
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I'm waiting for him to say that the founders intended for the constitution to apply to all people of the world. Once he does that, I'm turning on him!!
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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marc writes: I'm waiting for him to say that the founders intended for the constitution to apply to all people of the world. Which of course is not something anyone other than you have said. Oh, and of course the Founding Fathers who said that "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness." Note, it does not say US citizens. All Men are created equal. Illegal Aliens are created equal. They too deserve Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. And the US Constitution then expands on those basics and says that if they are within the borders of the US they are also entitled to the protection afforded under Articles IV-X of the US Constitution.
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Percy Member Posts: 22504 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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marc9000 writes: How absolutely true it is is subjective,... The truth is subjective to you? Lies are subjective? The long and short of seems to be that no, you have no examples of the press lying about Trump.
Thin skinned?? He's actually incredibly thick skinned,... Trump, thick-skinned? Who are you kidding? He's the most vain and sensitive and conceited person in the public eye that I can remember. His victory was the best, and if you say otherwise you're just sad. His inauguration was the biggest, and if you doubt it then he'll start an investigation. His refugee ban was his presidential right, and if you rule against him then you're a "so-called judge" or a "court in turmoil." If Saturday Night Live makes a parody of him then they're just sad and not funny anymore. If a newspaper says negative things about him then they're failing. He can't stand people criticizing him or standing up to him.
The U.S. is almost $20 trillion in debt. I can guarantee you that his voters didn't vote for a honeymoon. You're really pretending you don't know about the traditional honeymoon period when the opponents and the press let bygones be bygones and everyone gets behind the new administration for a while? Trump could have had one, but within one day of his inauguration he'd already lit into the press, calling fake news descriptions of the crowds as smaller than those at Obama's.
And you believe Trump is less capable of addressing that than the alternative, Hillary Clinton, or Sanders? I believe Trump incapable of governing. The already demonstrated incompetence, inexperience and Twitterfied impulsiveness and immaturity makes it obvious. --Percy Edited by Percy, : Grammar.
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marc9000 Member Posts: 1522 From: Ky U.S. Joined: Member Rating: 1.3 |
The truth is subjective to you? No, you'd have to refer back to what I was actually responding to. Claims of the extent of just how dishonest the news media is, is subjective.
Trump, thick-skinned? Who are you kidding? He's the most vain and sensitive and conceited person in the public eye that I can remember. His victory was the best, and if you say otherwise you're just sad. His inauguration was the biggest, and if you doubt it then he'll start an investigation. His refugee ban was his presidential right, and if you rule against him then you're a "so-called judge" or a "court in turmoil." If Saturday Night Live makes a parody of him then they're just sad and not funny anymore. If a newspaper says negative things about him then they're failing. He can't stand people making criticizing him or standing up to him. We probably have different definitions of thick, or thin skins. To me he would have a thin skin if he didn't respond at all to the abuse he takes. Or started crying in public like Chuck Schumer. Or quit his presidential run and took his billions and went home. He seemed to enjoy the press conference, in spite of all the hate around him. No stammering, no deer-in-the-headlights look, no red face at all. That takes a thick skin.
You're really pretending you don't know about the traditional honeymoon period when the opponents and the press let bygones be bygones and everyone gets behind the new administration for a while? And you're pretending that if Trump would have propped up his feet and done nothing for a while that his opponents and the press would have let bygones be bygones? And had no criticism of him? Obama had his honeymoon, and got his cabinet in place long before Trump has. How did he do that on his honeymoon? By having Republican opponents accepting the fact that he won, and not blocking his every move in the first month of his presidency?
I believe Trump incapable of governing. The already demonstrated incompetence, inexperience and Twitterfied impulsiveness and immaturity makes it obvious. The good thing is, there is no formal evaluation period of his presidency after only one month. The first major evaluation comes in 2018 when, if he's as terrible as you say, the house and senate will be taken over by the opposition, like happened to Clinton in 1994. We'll see if that happens!
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Percy Member Posts: 22504 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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marc9000 writes: The truth is subjective to you?
No, you'd have to refer back to what I was actually responding to. Claims of the extent of just how dishonest the news media is, is subjective. Yes, precisely. You seem to think whether the news media has reported something true is subjective. You seem to be having trouble coming up with any examples of the news media lying, while I can reel off a number of examples of Trump lying.
To me he would have a thin skin if he didn't respond at all to the abuse he takes. Then you don't know the definition of thin-skinned. Look it up.
And you're pretending that if Trump would have propped up his feet and done nothing for a while that his opponents and the press would have let bygones be bygones? And had no criticism of him? Okay, you haven't read the thread, let me explain again. Trump is a conservative, we fully expect he is going to pursue conservative policies, and that's fine. But we also expect him to pursue those policies competently while not telling transparent lies, alienating and terrifying our allies, cozying up to our enemies, signing poorly thought out and vetted executive orders, throwing immigration into disarray, threatening the environment, throwing little temper tantrums with the press, and so forth.
The good thing is, there is no formal evaluation period of his presidency after only one month. The first major evaluation comes in 2018 when, if he's as terrible as you say, the house and senate will be taken over by the opposition, like happened to Clinton in 1994. We'll see if that happens! The Democrats have very little chance of taking over the Senate in 2018 because there are only 8 Republican seats up for reelection and 25 Democratic seats. The chances are even less in the House because Republicans currently hold a 248-192 advantage. --Percy
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marc9000 Member Posts: 1522 From: Ky U.S. Joined: Member Rating: 1.3 |
You seem to be having trouble coming up with any examples of the news media lying, while I can reel off a number of examples of Trump lying. Trump is only one guy, only prominently in the news for 18 months. Am I allowed the past few decades of news reporting? I'd say I could easily outnumber yours by, 10 to 1 if I had just a little more time than I actually have. But I can do a few;
quote: quote: quote: quote: 12 Fake News Stories from the Mainstream Media Oh wait, but you may only be talking about lies about Trump. Here's a starter list; http://www.newsmax.com/...st-media-lies/2015/07/25/id/658877 Running out of time for a lot of c/p ing tonight, maybe I can play more later this week. If you and all your helpers poison my wells, I might have to call into question your sources for Trump's "lies", including the tremendous hate he's enduring at the time of them.
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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You may have noticed that every one of your examples was also found and reported by ... the main stream media. And in fact the news that the stories were fake was widely reported in each case.
Trump though continues to produce fake news with every public speaking instance. The man seems incapable of either telling the truth or (as happened in the examples you mentioned) acknowledging that what he says is fake news.
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined:
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The New York Times institutionally refuses to condemn Duranty This is not true. Not only did they run an editorial describing it as some of the worst reporting in the NYT, but they also hired a historian to write a piece to justify revoking the Pullitzer prize - which they sent to the Pullitzer people. The Chairman and Publisher has publicly condemned the work.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Donald Trump blew it again. Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'
NPR writes: In the span of a single sentence, President Trump managed to flummox a nation. "We've got to keep our country safe," Trump said at a campaign-style rally Saturday in Melbourne, Fla. "You look at what's happening in Germany, you look at what's happening last night in Sweden Sweden, who would believe this?" Swedes, in turn, answered Trump's question with a question of their own: "Wait what?" On Friday night the night in question a few things did, in fact, happen in Sweden. A Stockholm newspaper helpfully laid out a few of them:
Aftonbladet listed a few more, to be sure the trouble is, none of those events fits what Trump implied by including Sweden in a list of places that had recently suffered terrorist attacks. Edited by Phat, : No reason given.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Whoever trusts in his own mind is a fool, but he who walks in wisdom will be delivered.~Proverbs 28:26
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vimesey Member (Idle past 101 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined:
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The responses from Sweden have been wonderfully humorous and ironic. Good on them ! :-)
Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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Percy Member Posts: 22504 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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I notice you're still not answering the question. What lies has the media told about Trump? What "fake news" have they concocted? Looking down your list at The 10 Biggest Media Lies About Donald Trump, I don't see a single one that I've read anywhere. The news outlets Trump seems to hate most are the New York Times, the Washington Post, and CNN. Just provide links to their articles (not editorial opinion pieces) where they're telling lies about Trump. And not about picayune stuff or mistakes that were corrected. We're talking about persistent blatant lying and/or fabrication, the kind of thing that would justify Trump calling the media "the enemy of the American people."
--Percy
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Tangle Member Posts: 9514 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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vimesay writes: The responses from Sweden have been wonderfully humorous and ironic. Good on them ! :-) Personal favourites: My thoughts and prayers are with the people of Sweden 🇸🇪 tonight. #WeAreAllSweden America, if you start to identify with your captor-President, please call. We can help. #LastNightInSweden #StockholmSyndrome
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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The problem is not so much with the mistaken claim but rather with his response and explanation...I heard a story on Fox News....They let in all those immigrants and now crime is way up.
I do not doubt that he heard a Fox News Story but it seems that once again what he heard was FAKE NEWS from Faux News. But get serious. Do we want a President who get his state of the world briefings from Faux News?
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Hey, I think that Ikea would be quite pissed off with that. Next time you buy something from them anywhere in the world, they will make sure that you only get 754 578 V's!
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JonF Member (Idle past 197 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
And you believe Trump is less capable of addressing that than the alternative, Hillary Clinton, or Sanders?
Unequivocally yes. A thousand times yes. The guy thinks Fox News knows more than his own staff (viz. Sweden).
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