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The British Parliament is today discussing whether Trump should be barred from making a state visit to the United Kingdom. Large protests are planned all around Britain. (Thousands of protesters are going to pressure MPs to block Trump from visiting Britain) The official petition states, "Donald Trump's well documented misogyny and vulgarity disqualifies him from being received by Her Majesty the Queen or the Prince of Wales." (Prevent Donald Trump from making a State Visit to the United Kingdom)On the same day Vice President Mike Pence, Trump's representative to the European Council meeting in Brussels, was met with open skepticism after his attempts to reassure European leaders that Trump wouldn't abandon the long-established partnership with Europe.Trump supporters have to wake up and smell the, well, not roses. Trump stinks, and the whole world knows it. Leaders and citizens across the globe are dismayed and concerned about what has happened to the US government. Turn it around in your mind and think about it: if Obama or Clinton had done and said the things Trump has done and said you'd be criticizing him in just the way we are. Discard your partisanship and join those who merely want what is best for the country. Make it known that even though you still want conservative policies aggressively pursued that it should be done responsibly and competently and in ways that don't make us a world-wide embarrassment and the object of global ridicule.--Percy

I'm afraid the State visit invitation is very unlikely to be withdrawn - but there will no doubt be extensive protests.In the interests of being fully open about these things, there was a petition launched, encouraging the State visit invitation not to be withdrawn, which got around 330,000 signatures, from recollection. Another petition, asking for the invitation to be withdrawn, did get 1.8m signatures though. (There is a reasonably strong right wing populist movement in England, which sees Trump as an opportunity for them to push their agenda).What I'm curious about, is that Geert Wilders' poll lead has been narrowing in the past few days - I wonder if this has anything to do with Dutch people having the opportunity to see what a populist leader actually looks like, when he gets into office. (Not that Wilders would have Presidential power, or even be able to form a government, under the Dutch political system, but I do wonder if Trump's blatant lack of an iota of statesmanship, and his utterly childish behaviour, is having an impact in Holland).Edited by vimesey, : Autocorrect doesn't like Dutch names

Lizzie could well be the Dope Slap il Donald needs though and she is certainly in a position to be as undiplomatic as she wants.

Having an authoritarian president surrounded by retired generals sounds a bit dangerous--at least potentially.

I wonder if Trump has read his book? Or even the Cliff Notes version of it.

Here is one published report from McMaster:
CRACK IN THE FOUNDATION:
Defense Transformation
and the
Underlying Assumption of Dominant
Knowledge in Future War

I was thinking about an earlier work, Dereliction of Duty: Lyndon Johnson, Robert McNamara, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and the Lies That Led to Vietnam where he castigates the Military leaders for not standing up to the President and Secretary of Defense when plans were a failure.

we have a President that actually said I’m speaking with myself, number one, because I have a very good brain and I’ve said a lot of things.

This general is known for speaking his mind and not backing down to politicians. Still, I worry about our longstanding military industrial complex and the fact that generals always tend to see the world as a place to be won.

Before I get into that, I'd like to refer back to something you said earlier, in message 432; It's important to realize that Trump is fully justified to include more than just media lies recently about him, but about past, premeditated, carefully planned blatant lies like NBC's rigging of GM trucks with explosives, or the many intentional lies of Jason Blair of the NY Times. Trump is a New Yorker, Blair's lies could have possibly hit closer to home with him than many people realize. If you disagree, then please explain to me why the press should be immune from an "attack" of nothing more than free speech.But to satisfy your request, here's a list of media lies, in headlines;

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The New York Times:Trump’s claim that illegal Mexican immigrants are ‘rapists.

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Time Magazine:Trump’s comment that Mexican immigrants are ‘rapists.’

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Associated Press:Trump called Mexican immigrants rapists and criminals

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CBS News:Trump defends calling Mexican immigrants ‘rapists.’

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L.A. Times:describing Mexican immigrants as ‘rapists.’

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Fortune:in a speech branding Mexican immigrants as criminals and rapists.

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Hollywood Reporter:he referred to Mexican immigrants as ‘rapists.’
Huffington Post: He called Latino immigrants ‘criminals’ and ‘rapists.’

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The Washington Post: He referred to Mexicans as rapists.

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A college professor, (supposedly liberal, but that doesn't matter) got a wake up call when listening to his brainwashed students answers to questions about Trump, and they aroused his curiosity about a thing called "truth". This link explains what he found;WINNING369 - Situs Slot Online Pagcor Terpercaya 2022 - IDN POKERA few brief paragraphs from that link;

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Every single one of these news outlets purposefully lied to their readers and have continued to do so after every controversial comment made by Trump.

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It is persistent, blatant lying.

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For example,Politicomisquoted Trump by omitting his phrase about good people. They said he was demonizing Mexicans as rapists. They argued that Mexicans do not really commit more rapes in the U.S. than whites. But that’s not what Trump claimed.

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Martinez goes on to list the headlines that various mainstream media outlets came up with in response to Trump’s comments and they read like an Orwellian attempt at altering reality.

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ALTERING REALITY. Now, moving on to another link which refers to the same lies;Media Lies and Media Bias: Why Trump is Under Attack ~ VALLEY PATRIOT EDITORIAL (7-15) – The Valley Patriot

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CNN’s Brook Baldwin actually reported: Donald Trump called all Mexicans rapists and killers following up by calling his remarks Anti-Mexican and that Trump called all immigrants killers.

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It was simply an outright lie. But Baldwin was not alone. Every news outlet followed by repeating the lie over and over again in the hopes that stupid people will be outraged.

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They succeeded.

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But outright lies like this aren't the news media's main method of deception, it's the more subtle twisting and distorting that really works for them. Let's look at this example;

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Every time President-elect Donald Trump names a cabinet pick, liberals have a field day how can they paint a Trump pick as racist, elitist, extremist, and all-around evil? These attacks reached a fever pitch against Trump's selection for secretary of Education, Betsy DeVos.

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7 Desperate Liberal Lies About Trump's Education Pick Betsy DeVos – PJ MediaThis goes on to explain how something she said was taken of context, and used to completely mis-represent what her position on public schools actually is.

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Strauss took a quote, divorced it from context, and then labeled Betsy an opponent of public education writ large. It's among the most dishonest reporting I've seen in 20 years.

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I'm not sure what he was referring to from 20 years ago, it's been about 24 years since NBC rigged explosives in their "crash test". Unlike Jar's claim, that one wasn't exposed by the news media. It was exposed by a non-NBC person, if I remember right it was GM themselves, who slowed the video down, and freeze framed it showing the explosion starting before there was any contact. If it wasn't for that, NBC would have gotten by with it. The news media never retracts and apologizes because of their conscience, or policing by themselves, they apologize and retract for one reason only, that they got caught.This was more dishonest, more potentially harmful to our society, than anything that happened at Watergate, yet a president was brought down for it. NBC wasn't brought down, this episode was kept relatively quiet, as far as I know no new laws were passed regarding news media lies and distortions.Trump is justified for coarse criticism of the news media for this event alone. Since this kind of planned dishonesty was very present during his entire campaign, and he won the election in spite of it, it shows that the general public is waking up. Polls show that the public trusts what Trump says more than they trust today's news media.

I saw this at the beginning of ABC World News Tonight last evening. The reporter said it was a "surprise" announcement, but didn't elaborate on just what the surprise was about, or who was surprised.I find this ABC link this morning;iview

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But the choice of 54-year-old General McMaster who is known as the Iconoclast General has surprised some observers who are wondering how the Trump administration would deal with a military strongman known for questioning authority.

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There's that word again, apparently "some observers" are news media wolves who are looking for a reason to attack Trump for it. Maybe they should stick to actually reporting news, and only cover any of their unforeseen "surprises" when they actually occur?

Actually, once again you are simply wrong. It is a surprise to all of us who have read Dereliction of Duty: Lyndon Johnson, Robert McNamara, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and the Lies That Led to Vietnam or watched the many news stories about the book that were so broadly covered over the last two decades.This is not a subject that was under reported.This appointment may be the first indication that il Donald realizes he does NOT have a very good brain and needs to talk to others than himself or his Fellow Travelers.

This thread is about the Trump presidency, so if you can quote Trump talking about the press's supposed past sins then go for it, but I watched or read the transcript of Trump's entire press conference and he didn't mention anything you did. It was all about recent news reports about him. Those are headlines from Trump's presidential announcement where he said this about Mexican immigrants: The headlines are accurate in the way headlines from all points of the political spectrum are.I've never heard of Brooke Baldwin, but the Valley Patriot excerpt makes plainly exaggerated claims and misspelled Brooke's name. If you have video of Brooke saying it then I would conclude that she was wrong, but the only video I could find is http://mediamatters.org/...cause-theyre-emotional/210316here, and it has her saying: And here's another video where Brooke also doesn't say what your Valley Patriot quote claimed.You still haven't been able to provide any examples of persistent lies and dishonesty from the mainstream liberal press about Donald Trump.--Percy

I've made a couple of comments to the effect that Republicans by and large support Trump and that that support has not been much affected by post-election events. I think the reasons for that are fairly simple. Namely, that most of his supporters are in favor of Trump's policies even if they do have some misgivings about the president.The article below describes interviews with Trump supporters each of whom describes their reasons for supporting Trump. The reasons include their opinions of Hillary, their desire to have the general Republican agenda become the law of the land (including easing up of regulations, dismantling Roe v. Wade, and keeping foreigners out of the country). What you won't see much of is the ridiculous stuff that makes up the defense of Trump is this thread.These Republicans didn't like Trump at first. They do now. | CNN Politics

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"So, I voted for Trump," she said when I called her this month. "I didn't care for his personality, and he doesn't think before he speaks and he's kind of rash. But I'm glad that I did. I'm glad that he's come down on the refugee immigration stance. I know it's difficult, but we have to protect our country....
"I have a good feeling about him," she said. "He seems like he's going to be good."
As for her previous trepidations, Francioli said, "I got to like his policies and I was able to put his personality aside."
Indeed, Francioli offered a substantial list of subjects on which she agrees with Trump. "He's going to increase the military, going to protect this country, build a wall, border control, Obamacare," she said. "He's bringing jobs back." A regular participant in church-led marches outside an abortion clinic, she added that she expects Trump to place further restrictions on the procedure.

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Just updating the Sweden subthread.Donald Trump altered his Sweden claim, but in a way which was still wrong, and then refused to back away from the altered claim. Here's his full original claim: Nothing happened "last night in Sweden." When challenged on it he changed his story to crime is out of control in Sweden, which is also untrue, since it's approximately unchanged year over year.This is why Trump is a liar and the mainstream media is not. No one's perfect, one one's demanding perfection, but when Trump gets something wrong he just keeps repeating the mistake over and over. When the media gets something wrong, which they do at a far lower rate than Trump even though they outnumber him, they correct it. They don't keep repeating untrue things.Trump is a president like no other. He evidently spends his evenings watching the news and tweeting out reactions that should be vetted by his staff and the relevant departments but are not. Ill-considered ignorant tweets just fly off Trump's fingers and out into cyberspace without a moment's thought or consideration, and certainly no research.--Percy