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marc9000
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Message 466 of 4573 (800301)
02-21-2017 7:09 PM
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02-21-2017 8:58 AM


Re: Another General
Actually, once again you are simply wrong. It is a surprise to all of us who have read Dereliction of Duty: Lyndon Johnson, Robert McNamara, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and the Lies That Led to Vietnam or watched the many news stories about the book that were so broadly covered over the last two decades.
This is not a subject that was under reported.
You referred to a book with no elaboration of it at all. Difficult for me to respond if you're going to violate forum rule #5.
If you'll give a very basic summary of your book reference, I'll express my thanks by giving a basic summary of a book I've read concerning judicial activism, when I get back to the ~the-whole-world-has-U.S.-Constitutional-rights thread.
This appointment may be the first indication that il Donald realizes he does NOT have a very good brain and needs to talk to others than himself or his Fellow Travelers.
It's not a first indication for those who know the FIRST THING about Trump and his lifetime of successes, and that is that he has largely gotten things done not by doing them himself, but by choosing the right person/people for a job, and holding them accountable for getting it done.

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Message 467 of 4573 (800303)
02-21-2017 7:29 PM
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02-21-2017 7:09 PM


Re: Another General
Difficult for me to respond if you're going to violate forum rule #5.
There was no violation. There is no link. He was referring to a book. You might want to try google.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 468 of 4573 (800305)
02-21-2017 7:34 PM
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02-21-2017 7:09 PM


Re: Another General
Actually I simply mentioned a book that the person wrote. No forum violation there.
marc writes:
If you'll give a very basic summary of your book reference, I'll express my thanks by giving a basic summary of a book I've read concerning judicial activism, when I get back to the ~the-whole-world-has-U.S.-Constitutional-rights thread.
There is no such thread as "~the-whole-world-has-U.S.-Constitutional-rights". Sorry. Start one and that should get settled quickly.
marc writes:
It's not a first indication for those who know the FIRST THING about Trump and his lifetime of successes, and that is that he has largely gotten things done not by doing them himself, but by choosing the right person/people for a job, and holding them accountable for getting it done.
You mean all the bankruptcies and folks forced to sue him? Are those the lifetime of successes?

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Message 469 of 4573 (800306)
02-21-2017 8:10 PM
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02-21-2017 9:17 AM


Re: Reaction to the Trump Press Conference
This thread is about the Trump presidency, so if you can quote Trump talking about the press's supposed past sins then go for it, but I watched or read the transcript of Trump's entire press conference and he didn't mention anything you did. It was all about recent news reports about him.
It's about the Trump presidency, and we've gotten into a discussion about news media dishonesty. That dishonesty didn't begin with Trump's presidential campaign, and Trump would probably be reacting differently if it did. I think he's seen past presidents show fear and intimidation of the news media, and he feels it's long past time for someone to stand up to it. I'm done for now referencing news media lies before 2015. The ones I've referenced above were quite enough to make my points. (to anyone not hopelessly closed minded, that is)
Those are headlines from Trump's presidential announcement where he said this about Mexican immigrants:
"They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."
The headlines are accurate in the way headlines from all points of the political spectrum are.
Sorry, they are not. By leaving out "some I assume, are good people", it COMPLETELY changes what he implies about Mexican people, and what his intentions, his motivations might be. And what could result from them. News media dishonesty can spiral public opinion out of control. We're seeing it largely in foreign countries, who don't have a more personal experience of just what's going on in the U.S.
I've never heard of Brooke Baldwin, but the Valley Patriot excerpt makes plainly exaggerated claims and misspelled Brooke's name. If you have video of Brooke saying it then I would conclude that she was wrong, but the only video I could find is http://mediamatters.org/...cause-theyre-emotional/210316here, and it has her saying:
"Trump, after all, kicked off his campaign last summer by angering a lot of Latinos when he called some Mexican immigrants rapists and drug dealers."
And here's another video where Brooke also doesn't say what your Valley Patriot quote claimed.
I'm now reminded of an exchange you and NoNukes had in another thread, just the same day I had a death in the family and couldn't respond to at that time. It went like this;
Percy writes:
NoNukes writes:
...... I see no evidence whatsoever that either Faith or marc9000 are capable of filtering what they hear for the truth. So what comes across is a debate about what Trump has undeniably said and done, versus yeah but Obama is a Kenyan, or Hillary is running a sex slave shop in the back of a pizzeria.
Yes, and even more alarming is that over time this inability to discern and filter real from unreal will only cement their views more firmly. They'll find no fact so firm it can't be explained away in their own minds if it conflicts with their opinion.
And now we've found a third person who finds no fact so firm that it can't be explained away in his own mind if it conflicts with his opinion.
You still haven't been able to provide any examples of persistent lies and dishonesty from the mainstream liberal press about Donald Trump.
"Any examples"? So you've disregarded most of my message 460? Disregarded the one about the MLK statue being removed? Okay, I'll come up with some more, and I'll bet this time they'll register, and even if it "conflicts with your opinion", you won't be like the sinister Faith and marc9000, and you'll concede the point, right?
"You still haven't been able to provide any examples of persistent lies and dishonesty", but wait, now the word "persistent" has been magically introduced. Not sure how persistent these will be, but lets find out.
quote:
Many mainstream news outlets have been abuzz about the headline going around saying that Trump may ‘evict’ the press corp from accessing the White House, but when one looks deeper into what is being written in such articles it quickly becomes clear that there is nothing official stated about disallowing any press from the White House.
and, to summarize it;
quote:
Look to the Blaze for how this is spun into a narrative which serves the dual purpose of agitating Trump’s detractors into believing that he is going to suppress the freedom of the press and at the same time serves as a rouse to cause his ardent supporters to appear as though they are rejoicing at the potential of a Trump Presidency that would support suppressing the free press. When comparing the actual quotes with the editorial it is obvious that The Blaze and other mainstream media outlets are playing a wicked game of deceit to further the attempts at demonizing the incoming President.
More Fake News: Mainstream Media Lies About Trump 'Evicting' White House Press Corp - 21st Century Wire
Now for another one. For some reason I can't c/p from this one, so if you don't check the link, you won't get much out of it, though I'll summarize it the best I can.
The Media's Latest Lie About Trump EXPOSED!
It shows 6 headlines, all screaming about ominous "gag orders" that Trump is putting on scientists, USDA officials, Dept. of Agriculture, "several government agencies". But the headlines can't be called lies, because later in the more fine print, the NY Times admits that this is routine for any new presidential administration.
"not much different from those delivered by Obama", "I don't think it's fair to call it a gag order", and "this is standard practice....when a new administration comes in".
So you can tell me the headlines aren't lies, but they are dishonest.
It's the news media, more than anything else, that has worked so many people into a frenzy that they're still staging these stupid protests, like they had more of on yesterday's holiday.
Trump supporters have to wake up and smell the, well, not roses. Trump stinks, and the whole world knows it. Leaders and citizens across the globe are dismayed and concerned about what has happened to the US government. Turn it around in your mind and think about it: if Obama or Clinton had done and said the things Trump has done and said you'd be criticizing him in just the way we are. Discard your partisanship and join those who merely want what is best for the country. Make it known that even though you still want conservative policies aggressively pursued that it should be done responsibly and competently and in ways that don't make us a world-wide embarrassment and the object of global ridicule.
Going from memory, I think a recent poll shows that the U.S. general public generally believes what Trump says at a margin of 49%. The percentage is 38% for what percentage of them believes the mainstream news media. So maybe someone besides conservatives need to think about discarding some partisanship.
Now, take off with those goalposts again! Tell me I haven't shown you a single example of media bias and dishonesty. We'll see who has the most staying power.

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Message 470 of 4573 (800326)
02-22-2017 7:59 AM
Reply to: Message 469 by marc9000
02-21-2017 8:10 PM


Re: Reaction to the Trump Press Conference
marc9000 writes:
I think he's seen past presidents show fear and intimidation of the news media, and he feels it's long past time for someone to stand up to it.
The much more significant source of false facts and lies is not the mainstream media but Trump himself.
I'm done for now referencing news media lies before 2015.
That's good, because this thread is about the Trump Presidency, which began in 2017.
The headlines are accurate in the way headlines from all points of the political spectrum are.
Sorry, they are not.
Sorry, but they are.
And now we've found a third person who finds no fact so firm that it can't be explained away in his own mind if it conflicts with his opinion.
You're looking in a mirror.
"Any examples"? So you've disregarded most of my message 460? Disregarded the one about the MLK statue being removed?
Disregarded? I don't think so. I responded to what was relevant in both those messages.
So you can tell me the headlines aren't lies, but they are dishonest.
The headlines are written the way headlines across all points of the political spectrum are written, the way headlines have always been written. I agree headlines are too sensationalized everywhere, but that's what headlines do. Many people do understand this fact about headlines, and do read past the headline.
It's the news media, more than anything else, that has worked so many people into a frenzy that they're still staging these stupid protests, like they had more of on yesterday's holiday.
You have something against these protests? I agree that the news reported by the mainstream media has people very upset, but that's because what Trump is doing is very upsetting.
Now, take off with those goalposts again! Tell me I haven't shown you a single example of media bias and dishonesty. We'll see who has the most staying power.
I'd say you have a legitimate complaint about headlines - I have the same complaint. But you also conceded that the articles in your examples contained accurate information.
--Percy

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Message 471 of 4573 (800328)
02-22-2017 8:16 AM
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02-22-2017 7:59 AM


On Headlines.
Long long ago and in a land far far away I turned on the news to hear that car thefts were down 200% from last year.
It was a classic example of two factors that seem to epitomize "News" today. First, news today is marketed. It is the filler designed to take up all the white space between advertisements. Second, it seems that all of the Editors and Proof Readers were fired.
And I never did find that some thief came to steal my car and instead left me another one.

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Message 472 of 4573 (800431)
02-23-2017 12:46 PM


The Greatest threat to Democracy today
It's not Islamic Militants.
It's not Communists.
It's not illegal immigrants.
It's not Roman Catholicism.
It's not liberals.
It's Donald Trump according to a former Navy Seal, a retired four-star Admiral William McRaven.
quote:
William H. McRaven, a retired four-star admiral and former Navy SEAL, defended journalists this week, calling President Trump’s denunciation of the media as the enemy of the American people the greatest threat to democracy he’s seen in his lifetime.
source:
And when it comes to "Threats to Democracy" the man who headed up Joint Special Operations is one who really should know what is and is not a threat.

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Message 473 of 4573 (800453)
02-23-2017 7:49 PM


More examples of "He really didn't say that, did he?"
So again today il Donald held a press conference where he outlined what he was doing and once again those folk that work for him were left to point out that "Yes he did say that but that is NOT what is happening or going to happen".
This time il Donald said that his immigration operation was a military operation. It was left to his Cabinet to correct publicly what he said and flatly deny that it was a military operation.
The boy seems to have never learned to think before he speaks.
Is this the result of listening to a very good brain?

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Message 474 of 4573 (800454)
02-23-2017 7:51 PM
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02-22-2017 7:59 AM


Re: Reaction to the Trump Press Conference
The headlines are written the way headlines across all points of the political spectrum are written, the way headlines have always been written. I agree headlines are too sensationalized everywhere, but that's what headlines do. Many people do understand this fact about headlines, and do read past the headline.
Different people have different lifestyles and interests, and any news story in a widely recognized position, in print form, is going to be read progressively less and less as it moves from the headline to the last sentence. From a quick glace at the headline only, to a thorough reading of the whole thing. Every imaginable progression, by many people.
In my earlier (as I remember) school years, probably elementary school in the 1960's, we were taught a few basics about newspaper stories, how the information should start off basic with the headline, and progress steadily into more detail right until the end, keeping in mind that it will be read progressively less as it goes. Today - recently, I'm noticing headlines that can give a completely false impression if read by themselves, without getting slightly, or largely conflicting information later in the story. I can describe an example or two, but it would probably stray too far off topic for you.
You have something against these protests?
Not to the extent that I believe there should be laws against them, but Democrat Lincoln Chafee recently put it very well, when he said all this is getting "tiresome", and it's time to "let him get his feet under him and try to build an administration, and move on".
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Chafee (another 2016 Democrat presidential candidate) knows something about news media bias - he got very little time to speak during last years debates, because the Democrat leadership and news media had already picked who their candidate was going to be.
I agree that the news reported by the mainstream media has people very upset, but that's because what Trump is doing is very upsetting.
Trump is the excuse, but he's really only a small part of it. A big part of the outrage is with the people who voted for Trump. Another part of it is a complete lack of respect or knowledge of just how the U.S. election system actually works. We've heard it trumpeted "Hillary won the popular vote!!!" enough times to see that.
Today's news media is largely the children and grandchildren of the early 70's news media that took out Nixon. Nixon was hated, and he was a big prize for them. Today's news media wants Trump's head 100 times more, because his justified criticism of them hurts their widdle feewings.
If you think other countries alarm about Trump are only due to Trump's actions, you could consider re-thinking that one too. The U.S. is a superpower, there is a lot of patriotism, and some foreign citizens and governments can easily take that as arrogance. As we're seeing on another recent thread here, the U.S. constitution is slowly eroding into a re-written excuse to protect illegal immigrants. The claims that parts of the U.S. constitution applies to the entire world is probably something many foreign leaders and citizens aren't too crazy about. And with good reason. I don't think a lot of what goes on in other cultures is any of the U.S.'s business. This is a feeling towards the U.S. that is in no way Trump's fault.
One of Trump's biggest problems is the Obama care issue. No matter how it gets replaced, it will be reported as "not as good as" Obama care. Medical costs, the latest technology, research and development, is very expensive. As is 8 years or more of medical school for doctors, and medical malpractice insurance that they have to have. The costs have to be paid by someone. We have too many people who live largely on donuts and beer, and want access to the very latest in medical technology and lavish hospital stays when it catches up with them, and they expect it to be fully paid by someone else. Trump doesn't have a magic wand, he's going to get blamed no matter what he does, or even if he were to do nothing.
We'll just have to keep watching the news, and see if they believe a 39% approval rating is good enough for their ratings and subsequent advertising and sales. They've got around 30% in the bag, that's the number of closed-minded liberals this country has that will believe ANYTHING negative they have to say about Trump, no matter what. But will they be able to hang on to that other 9%, and will those who believe Trump move on up past 50%? We should find out soon.

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Message 475 of 4573 (800458)
02-24-2017 12:19 AM
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Re: Reaction to the Trump Press Conference
quote:
As we're seeing on another recent thread here, the U.S. constitution is slowly eroding into a re-written excuse to protect illegal immigrants.
We certainly are not seeing that. In fact we see Trump and his supporters wanting to deny rights that the Constitution grants to legal immigrants and visitors. It is the Right which is trying to rewrite the Constitution and to try to reverse the situation is a hypocritical lie.
Some of the lies they tell are really crazy. One guy tried to claim that there were no legal immigrants or visitors to the U.S. at all! Maybe you remember seeing that.
quote:
The claims that parts of the U.S. constitution applies to the entire world is probably something many foreign leaders and citizens aren't too crazy about. And with good reason.
Which would be an issue if anybody were making such claims. But alas nobody is. That is just another of the Right's stupid lies.

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Message 476 of 4573 (800459)
02-24-2017 1:10 AM
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Re: Reaction to the Trump Press Conference
We've heard it trumpeted "Hillary won the popular vote!!!" enough times to see that.
You forgot to include the part where, yes, she actually did win the popular vote. By about 3 million. Not the electoral vote in which low-population states are given more say than the high-population states, so she did not win the election. But she still did win the popular vote by a sizable margin.
It shouldn't matter, except that it takes away any Trump Administration claim of having an overwhelming mandate. And it certainly does seem to matter to Trump and his fragile ego. It seems to matter far too much. It seemed that in just about every speech he gave since the Inauguration he would brag about his electoral win being the biggest (not by a long shot!) and the crowds at his inauguration being the biggest (again, not by a long shot!) and claim that Clinton's three million vote popular victory was due to voter fraud committed by three million illegal aliens.
Sorry, but Trump is obviously mental. A President must be able to take all kinds of criticism and Trump has proven to be incapable. He makes an outrageously false statement or insults the leader of another country and his entire staff has to scramble to perform damage control. After effectively laying the ground for another war with Mexico (adding a few more lines to the Marine Corps Hymn), Tillerson and Kelly are down in Mexico trying to undo the damage that Trump had done. Mexico is concerned about how their people are being treated and that the military should not be involved and Tillerson and Kelly assured them that it is not a military operation. Just in time for Trump to boast that it's a military operation.
If this kind of caca estupida had been written into a political satire, nobody would believe it because it's far too outlandish. But this stupid shit is real, far too real.
marc9000, you won't understand this, but I'm including it for the others.
There's a German comedian, Dieter Nuhr, who has a stand-up comedy special on Netflix, "Nuhr in Berlin" -- literally, it means "Nuhr in Berlin", but it also sounds like "Nur in Berlin" which means "Only in Berlin." It's all in German, but is sub-titled. Overall the subtitles work well, except for where he tries to make pedestrian signs more gender-neutral, but you need to understand German grammar (the "ausgedehntes Eigenschaftswort", "extended adjective"). Sehr komisch!
At one point towards the end, he asks whether there are any neo-Nazis in the audience. Well, it's possible that one had wandered in not knowing what was going on. And now he's sitting there completely confused and not knowing what's going on. All he can think is, "Long sentences!!!!!" ("Lange Stze!") Yeah, they cannot handle long sentences. What's the longest sentence you can think of that Trump has used?

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Message 477 of 4573 (800461)
02-24-2017 1:38 AM
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02-23-2017 7:51 PM


Re: Reaction to the Trump Press Conference
In my earlier (as I remember) school years, probably elementary school in the 1960's, we were taught a few basics about newspaper stories, how the information should start off basic with the headline, and progress steadily into more detail right until the end, keeping in mind that it will be read progressively less as it goes.
"Who, what, where, when, how, and why?" That is what we were taught in junior high journalism class. And that the very first paragraph of every article needed to answer or address each of those six questions. Then the rest of article explained those answers and filled in background information.
Similarly, in English composition classes you should have been taught that the first paragraph of an essay must contain a synopsis, a statement of what the essay is about.
Today - recently, I'm noticing headlines that can give a completely false impression if read by themselves, without getting slightly, or largely conflicting information later in the story. I can describe an example or two, but it would probably stray too far off topic for you.
An affliction of our times. Yes, headlines were always intended to grab the reader's attention to get them to start to read the article (then the who-what-where-when-how-why first paragraph would get them to continue reading). And the need for sensational headlines has always been known and exploited.
But then the news stopped being a "loss leader" and became part of the ratings race. By now expecting one's news programming to bring in revenue instead of accepting that it will be a revenue loss (thus freeing journalists to do their work), the "news" has become little more than another form of entertainment. Thus, as everybody with any amount of depth cannot help but to have noticed, most "news" coverage is of that network's other TV shows, especially "reality" shows.
But as "news" moved onto the Internet, other factors have come into play. It's called "click bait". You have sponsors who pay you for every time somebody clicks on your link, so you do whatever you can to motivate people to click on your link. In order to do that, they make the "headline" as sensational as they possibly can. Then others also do it, so you have to become even more sensational and it escalates from there. One example of that escalation is where you are offered a list, so you have to click on each and every item in that list, thus racking up larger numbers of clicks that get you paid. Another example are these "You cannot imagine how she looks now!" or what deceptively looks like "This celebrity just died" when no such thing has happened. Or other variations on that theme (eg, "why this celebrity had to disown their adult child...").
That's the world we live in. It's economics. It's marketing. Just become smart about it.
Or do you have something against capitalism? Are you some kind of filthy socialist?

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Message 478 of 4573 (800462)
02-24-2017 2:01 AM
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02-23-2017 7:51 PM


Re: Reaction to the Trump Press Conference
Trump doesn't have a magic wand, he's going to get blamed no matter what he does, or even if he were to do nothing.
If Trump does nothing, won't it be the folks who elected him who are complaining?
With respect to Obama care, if there is indeed a catch 22, Trump and the Republicans basically put themselves in position to take a fall for what happens when if they don't replace it with something functional by making promises in the run up to the election. Trump seems to have figured this out before his colleagues in the House and Senate did. However what Trump has elected to do is try to make sure the ACA fails by pricking holes in it. So when it fails, why shouldn't he get the blame.
he claims that parts of the U.S. constitution applies to the entire world is probably something many foreign leaders and citizens aren't too crazy about.
My question to you is why should anyone discuss any topic with someone who repeatedly distorts.
At this point folks have clarified what their meaning so often that your continued insistence that posters are claiming the constitution applies to the entire world is best labeled as a deliberate lie. What folks are instead claiming is explicitly stated in the 14th amendment which is that there are due process rights applicable to all any person within its jurisdiction.
Today - recently, I'm noticing headlines that can give a completely false impression if read by themselves, without getting slightly, or largely conflicting information later in the story.
Yes that does happen. Perhaps not blowing up until you read the article would be a good way to proceed.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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Message 479 of 4573 (800486)
02-24-2017 7:21 AM


Art Linkletter died too soon.
Think of all the missing episodes of "Presidents say the Darnedest Things" he could have made just interviewing Trump alone.

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Message 480 of 4573 (800493)
02-24-2017 8:45 AM
Reply to: Message 474 by marc9000
02-23-2017 7:51 PM


Re: Reaction to the Trump Press Conference
The claims that parts of the U.S. constitution applies to the entire world is probably something many foreign leaders and citizens aren't too crazy about.
You keep repeating this canard. No one I know of has ever made such a ludicrous claim. Please show your evidence that people are actually making this claim. If people are saying such things show us why these people should be thought of has having any sort of authority. Few if any people on the left would conceive such a stupid idea.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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