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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Some Statistics
How Do Homeschool Students Do At College? A recent study published in July 2010, by Dr. Michael Cogan, studied homeschool students at one Mid-west college. While this small study won't have the reaching impact as a larger study, here are his findings. The homeschool students had a slightly higher retention rate, 88.6% compared to the counterpart at 87.6%.There was a higher graduation rate from homeschooled students (66.7% compared to the counterpart at 57.5%). The homeschooled students came in with a higher ACT score (25.0 compared to 14.7). Slightly higher Grade Point Averages were held through-out the college years by the homeschooled students. (Fourth year previosuly homeschooled college students had a 3.46 average compared to the previously traditionally schooled students at 3.16). The article goes on to say that homeschooling parents also have a higher degree of education themselves than average.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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An understanding of what the evidence does and does not show might help.
Homeschooling is likely to vary considerably based on the abilities of the parents and of the materials they choose. The point of regulation would be to address the lower end of the spectrum where outcomes are felt to be unacceptably poor. But these statistics tell us very little about that. The fact that they only look at homeschooled students that make it to college means that they aren't even counting the underperformers. Even the other statistics on the page only deal with averages rather than looking specifically at the bottom end where the need for regulation - if there is one - would be found.
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Plus we can look at some of the so called "Home School" textbooks like the jokes produced by A Beka Books or listen to comments such as Falwell's teach both sides and let the students choose bullshit.
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
I didn't say anything "against" western civilization. I just brought it down to reality from the lofty pedestal you placed it on.
I see so you are quoting the Hindu scripture against western civilization. Faith writes:
Not necessarily. And most Christians know better than you.
Polytheists of course know better than Christians.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
As I understand it the state determines what materials are to be taught to homeschoolers, defines standards etc. The parents may have some leeway but I don't think they have a lot.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2
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These statistics have no bearing on the quality of homeschooling. It cherry picks those that went to college. Those would be the higher performers. Now lets find stats on how many actually go to college or test scores of all homeschooled students compared to traditionally schooled kids.
This stuff you posted is worthless in supporting your assertions.Want to try again? Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2
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Looks like your source either lied or is incompetent.
Here is the original data from Dr. Cogan.http://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/EJ893891.pdf Here are slides with the data. http://i.bnet.com/blogs/homeschool.pdf quote:Not correct. It is actually 26.5 compared to 25.0 The author of the study himself warns people not to read to much into his study.
quote:One or two students could have skewed the results. Sample size is way to small to make any conclusions whatsoever. He tries to hide where the study was done, but his description matches perfectly with St. Thomas University in St Paul, MN where he is a professor. So these are not average students. St Thomas is a fairly exclusive Catholic University. Tuition is about $40,000 per year. Tuition, net price and cost to go University of St Thomas Lies, upon lies, upon bullshit.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Maybe so, although if enforced to any degree that would already amount to regulation. And if there already is regulation it would be far better to see what additional regulation is proposed and why instead of posting statistics that are likely irrelevant.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Slightly higher Grade Point Averages were held through-out the college years by the homeschooled students. (Fourth year previosuly homeschooled college students had a 3.46 average compared to the previously traditionally schooled students at 3.16). Most likely because home schooled students get screened heavily before the get admitted to any college. In particular, schools screen students using the ACT and SAT exams, so apparently higher scores are required for admission of those folk who often have fewer ECAs and sports opportunities. It you want to make your case, you would tell me about the admission rates for home schooled children. How about if you compare the scores to the portion of the student body that were not admitted on athletic scholarship? Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
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caffeine Member (Idle past 1051 days) Posts: 1800 From: Prague, Czech Republic Joined:
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It you want to make your case, you would tell me about the admission rates for home schooled children. Because nobody seems to have counted! I just wasted an hour of my life trying to find this out, but cannot find any sign that anyone has figured out a way to compare the proportion of home-schooled students that attend college with the general population. How hard can this be, am I missing something? I could understand if no one cared, but there has been a lot of research conducted on homeschooling - just none to adress this specific question. Things I have discovered - there do not seem to be big differences on most measures of average academic performances between those schooled at home and those schooled at institutions, but the homeschoolers have greater variance. The education level of the parents has a much bigger impact on the final outcome, which makes sense.
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Because nobody seems to have counted! Some basics about the US. There is no list of who is a US citizen. There is no list of who is in the US. There is no list of who should be in school. There is no list of who is being home schooled.
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3976 Joined: |
The topic theme is the U.S. military budget.
All this education stuff is interesting, but it deserves a topic of its own. If you're the one to start this topic, please also link back to this topic. Probably closing in about 15 minutes. AdminnemooseusOr something like that.
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3976 Joined: |
Short term closure happened 1 hour later.
If this didn't happen, more totally off-topic replies would happen. Adminnemooseus Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Change ID.Or something like that.
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3976 Joined: |
The theme is the U.S. military budget.
AdminnemooseusOr something like that. |
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frako Member (Idle past 333 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
There is no list of who should be in school. There is no list of who is being home schooled. Really, its illegal in my country to deny a child basic education ie primary school, you get notified by the goverment when your child is old enough to attend school so you enroll him. so i assume we have a list lol.
There is no list of who is a US citizen. you dont have something like an EMO, roughly translated uniform ID number, you get it at birth its your date of birth + a number for women or men i think its 50 and 60, then it depends on witch birth you where that day for the last 3 numbers. You get it at birth, and you need one for any contract to be valid, so i assume anyone who becomes a cittezen gets one too. Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.
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