Waiting on the End Times

Hi sidelined,

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Originally posted by sidelined

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In my short 46 years I have heard declarations 4 times that the world would definitely end from people I know personally,much less the famous book selling end timers. Funny how they allways write a book isn't it?

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What's even funnier is that they all put the profits from those books into long-term investments. Namaste'Amlodhi[This message has been edited by Amlodhi, 01-22-2004]

Hi Azure Moon,

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Originally posted by Azure Moon

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This is NOT gnosis. I don't know where this comes from but I sure hope you didn't pay for it.

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Serious question with no slight intended: Are you an "orthodox" gnostic or some version of neo-gnostic? For instance, do you think that YHWH, the God of standard Christianity is the evil demiurge who sought to withhold "gnosis" from mankind?Namaste'Amlodhi

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Originally posted by Azure Moon

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So, how about if you tell me. Just where do you think I fit in the labeling department?

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Oh, Azure Moon, I would not want to be guilty of labeling anybody. The extent of my curiousity was only to whether you adhered to any basic written doctrine such as the coptic gnosticism defined in the Nag Hammadi documents.As to more generic gnosticism, it seems to me that the difficulty would lie in the discernment between "knowing" vs. the mere presumption that one "knows".Namaste'Amlodhi

Hello Phatboy,

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Originally posted by Phatboy

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. . . many scientific truth seekers and gnostics will carefully study and sift through human wisdom and experimentation before proclaiming evidence which supports their original position. . .

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Your statement, above, highlights the distinction I was previously referring to. Although the term "gnostic" is derived from the Greek "gnostikos" which translates to "of knowledge", this is not to be confused with what you have labelled "scientific truth".gnosis - Esoteric knowledge of spiritual truth held by the ancient Gnostics to be essential to salvation. [Merriam Webster's Collegiate Dictionary, tenth ed.]There is no "scientific truth". But there are explanations based on observation and experiment which are designed to provide the most useful understanding of ourselves and our environment.This is not the kind of knowledge that is spoken of when the term "gnosis" is used. As described by definition, gnosis is a knowledge of unseen things, religious or spiritual, that can be obtained only by instruction from Gnostic mentors or some form of transcendental revelation.Thus, my question to Azure Moon as to whether her gnostic understanding was the result of instruction or revelation. And, if the latter, what objective checks and balances are used to insure the validity of such "gnosis".Namaste'Amlodhi

Hello Azure Moon,

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Originally posted by Azure Moon

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The gnostic understandings? Awkward wording by the way.

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Yes, it might seem so. But it was designed to underscore the distinction. I'm usually less interested in the fact that people say they "know" (gnosis) than I am in why (understanding) they say they "know" it.

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Azure Moon:

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I accept no gnostic teachings from anybody unless I can get 3 confirmation's from 3 separate sources stating really plain the same thing.

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What do you consider to be valid sources?Namaste'Amlodhi