Gay Marriage as an attack on Christianity

Again, apparently we are not allowed to have our own beliefs, we are required to have yours.Anyway, I looked up another of the businesses that refused to cater to a gay wedding, the florist in Washington, Baronelle Stutzman. She lost her case too of course and was fined $1000. I don't know where things stand at the moment.The photograph in New Mexico also lost her case: N.M. Supreme Court: Photographers Can't Refuse Gay Wedding...... | News & Reporting | Christianity TodayI think there was another bakery in the same situation. Maybe I can find it.

No one doubts that people who break anti-discrimination laws get sued and lose in court.But the point Faith is that why they discriminated is not the issue.There is no attack on Christianity.

Logically you live in la-la land like most Leftists, and the irrationality and illogic of it all are maybe the hardest part of being attacked by anti-Christian laws. The denial, the silly word twisting.Anyway, although there's lots of news out there that might be pursued on this thread, I can't find the other business I was looking for, which I think was also a bakery.

Question: does it imply acceptance of things that God has forbidden to vote for a man who has consistently treated the seven deadly sins as a to-do list?

No.

The laws are not anti-Christian as you well know. And there are Chapters of Club Christian that support same-sex marriage, recognize same-sex marriages and even perform same-sex marriages.Again Faith, reality simply shows you are wrong.The Bible shows you are wrong.Basic common courtesy shows you are wrong.

Why not?

Because faith is the ultimate authority on what god wants do to her special relationship with Jesus, she can even tell which laws are ceremonial and which are moral and apply to all.

Because voting someone into high office doesn't validate or legitimize their sin like baking a cake, taking photographs or arranging flowers does. Obv.

Nobody is being forced to do this. Why does the Christian baker have to treat the wedding as legitimate by making a custom cake for people celebrating signing a contractual agreement with the government? Wedding cakes aren't even a sacrament that symbolises a holy matrimony in the eyes of God. Neither are weddings. It's not as if God is joining them together, it's not as if they are being forced to accept that God is joining them together. If baking a cake is the same as accepting a gay marriage as a holy matrimony, you don't have to bake cakes. I have never baked a wedding cake, for instance. Baking wedding cakes is not mandatory. How about a party celebrating the signing of a contract between two people of the same sex with the government formalising their relationship for tax/insurance/healthcare/childcare/housing/employment purposes? And now you are increasingly a post-Christian society. Even your fellow Christians are rejecting the notion that prohibiting two people from signing a contract is anything but motivated by animus cloaked by faux-righteousness. Rather, as your version of Christianity becomes less accepted, this has allowed laws you disagree with to get passed. Why don't you make a martyr video about it? Not making cakes is not a punishment. It is a sensible thing to do if you cannot, in good conscience, do it. I don't work in the arms industry because I cannot, in good conscience do it. I do not work in the fossil fuel industry because I cannot, in good conscience do it. So if baking wedding cakes is no longer viable, changing your business model sounds like the sane response.It's a shame they didn't do it of their own recognizance and instead had to be ordered to do it by the court system.

The deluded so-called Christians who won't bake cakes for homosexuals weddings are obviously wrong but it does irritate me that they can't simply say that they can't because the cook is not feeling too well, they've got too many orders, the oven is broken, whatever. Why make it a 'thing'? Do they actually want to feel martyred?Similarly, why ask a right-wing fundamentalist jerk-off to bake you a cake if you're queer? Some people are just looking for a fight.

How would you know they are fundamentalist jerk-offs?

Why not?This really has nothing to do with the topic and I realize I made a mistake with Frako's Message 22 in the same way. None of this is about personal sins, it's about the ordinance of marriage given by God. It isn't about people being gay, it's about marriage and God's definition of it.Trump's sins are greatly exaggerated by the Left, especially if you are comparing him to Hillary and Bill, and in a better world I'd take personal sins into account more than I think appropriate in this time of rampant sin, but for the most part personal sins are a person's own business -- except in certain circumstances such as applying for the position of pastor or elder in a church or wherever else high moral standards apply.; Again Trump's are greatly exaggerated.Frako brought up the old irrelevancy of the OT's prohibition of mixing fabrics and I answered with the usual fact that it only applied to ancient Israel. Which is true but irrelevant to this topic, because disobeying any particular law isn't a reason to deny the person a wedding cake or any other kind of service.I can think of only one exception: Remarriage after a divorce is a reason.And gay marriage. And that's because of the insult to God's ordinance of marriage, not the personal sin.

I'm sure if there is some way to tell in advance that the customer is asking for a wedding service you will have to refuse, the seller WOULD come up with an excuse.Yes, sometimes the customer IS looking for a fight, wants to threaten a Christian business.And maybe all businesses that deal in wedding services should put a fish on their door, as some businesses do anyway. Unfortunately that might be as much of a goad to the people looking for a fight as a reason for others to go elsewhere.Also, what IS this arrogant insistence that a Christian is "wrong" about such a decision? You think they LIKE turning people away? I can assure you they do not. It was kind of an agony for the Oregon bakery couple who don't have an anti-gay bone in their bodies. For them and the others it's strictly a matter of obedience to God.One more thing. It should be mentioned that Muslim bakeries are either not targeted for wedding cakes by gay couples, or turn them away without being sued. They will not make a wedding cake for gays either, so why are they exempt from the consequences of discriminating against them?

I have such a headache after being taken on the ride through your bumpy logic I think I'm going to have to lie down.