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Tangle
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Message 211 of 1484 (802402)
03-16-2017 8:36 AM
Reply to: Message 210 by jar
03-16-2017 7:29 AM


Re: What to do to support rights for LBGTs in the US
Jar writes:

I think the important issue is what can be done in the US to prevent those battles that have been won from being lost for decades to come.

Yes, it looks like there's a real battle to be fought and I'm pretty sure Trump is not going to be on the side of the LBGT community. He's not beyond starting his own verbal pogrom to appeal to the fundamentalist religions and the bigoted.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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jar
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Message 212 of 1484 (802405)
03-16-2017 8:56 AM
Reply to: Message 211 by Tangle
03-16-2017 8:36 AM


Re: What to do to support rights for LBGTs in the US
It is clear that the Trump Administration will not be on the side of the LBGT community. Last month the Trump Administration revoked federal guidelines specifying that transgender students have the right to use public school restrooms that match their gender identity.

But it goes beyond just the Executive branch.

quote:
Others said the practical effect on the nation’s schools would be muted, in part because a federal judge already had blocked the Obama guidance in response to a lawsuit from 13 states that argued it violated states’ rights. And it is possible the U.S. Supreme Court could settle the matter soon, as it plans to consider a Virginia case involving a transgender teenager who was barred from using the boys’ bathroom at his high school.

And the Supreme Court did NOT hear the case since it said the Trump revocation of the Obama directives made the case moot.
source

The court went further and also wiped off the lower court ruling that had supported Gavin Grimm.

Edited by jar, : fix quote box


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Faith
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Message 213 of 1484 (802406)
03-16-2017 8:57 AM
Reply to: Message 208 by Tangle
03-16-2017 4:09 AM


FYI
ignore them when the issue is trivial. Like a bloody cake.

You and others keep talking about "baking a cake" as if this is about a small affair of the sort you'd make in your own kitchen. This is just a reminder that a wedding cake is a special custom creation that takes days to put together and costs a LOT of money. Even the most minimal wedding cake is a big deal. The baker puts a LOT into such a creation. It's a huge investment of the baker's personality and time.

http://i.weddingomania.com/...e-wedding-cakes-13-500x689.jpg

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Tangle
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Message 214 of 1484 (802407)
03-16-2017 9:07 AM
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03-16-2017 8:57 AM


Re: FYI
It's still only a cake Faith. There's no avoiding the fact that it's just a bloody cake.

Just out of deranged interest, would a baker bigot still refuse to supply the cake to a gay guy if there was nothing on it to suggest it was going to be for a gay wedding?

Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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jar
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Message 215 of 1484 (802408)
03-16-2017 9:11 AM
Reply to: Message 213 by Faith
03-16-2017 8:57 AM


Re: FYI
And gay marriage is still not an attack on Christianity.

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Faith
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Message 216 of 1484 (802409)
03-16-2017 9:12 AM
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03-16-2017 9:07 AM


Re: FYI
I've said many times that any cake that isn't specifically for a wedding is no problem, any cake out of the display case or any custom cake for a birthday party or other celebration. It becomes a problem when the baker is personally engaged in doing something for a gay wedding.

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Tangle
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Message 217 of 1484 (802410)
03-16-2017 9:20 AM
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03-16-2017 9:12 AM


Re: FYI
Faith writes:

I've said many times that any cake that isn't specifically for a wedding is no problem, any cake out of the display case or any custom cake for a birthday party or other celebration. It becomes a problem when the baker is personally engaged in doing something for a gay wedding.

This cake is for a gay wedding. But it's just a cake out of the catalogue.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Faith
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Message 218 of 1484 (802411)
03-16-2017 9:25 AM
Reply to: Message 217 by Tangle
03-16-2017 9:20 AM


Re: FYI
The baker has to actually make the cake that's in the catalogue.
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Tangle
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Message 219 of 1484 (802417)
03-16-2017 10:47 AM
Reply to: Message 218 by Faith
03-16-2017 9:25 AM


Re: FYI
Faith writes:

The baker has to actually make the cake that's in the catalogue.

Well yes, that's what I said. It's a wedding cake straight out of their catalogue but it's going to be used at a gay wedding. Bake/no bake?


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 220 of 1484 (802418)
03-16-2017 10:52 AM
Reply to: Message 180 by Rrhain
03-15-2017 5:05 PM


Re: related issues
Yeah, I'm not gonna read all your psycho-analysis bullshit. And correcting your misunderstandings of what I think is too laborsome.

I don't think anti-discrimination laws are totalitarian.
I don't have a problem with anti-discrimination laws.
I do think we could get along without them.
And its the approach, or tactic, that is being employed that I am calling totalitarian, not the laws themselves.

As far as things I've said that are trivially shown to be false, you've spent way more time telling me what I think than getting around to actually proving anything, so I doubt it.


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Faith
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Message 221 of 1484 (802422)
03-16-2017 11:22 AM
Reply to: Message 219 by Tangle
03-16-2017 10:47 AM


Re: FYI
I guess I'm not getting your point. If someone is going to get involved in such a big costly deal as a wedding cake it would be scheduled for a particular wedding and the bakery would deliver it and set it up. I don't think you could just order a cake without giving all that information, if that's what you are saying.
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Message 222 of 1484 (802423)
03-16-2017 11:37 AM
Reply to: Message 216 by Faith
03-16-2017 9:12 AM


Re: FYI
I've said many times that any cake that isn't specifically for a wedding is no problem, any cake out of the display case or any custom cake for a birthday party or other celebration. It becomes a problem when the baker is personally engaged in doing something for a gay wedding.

We know from the history of your intolerant brand of christian bigotry that the real problem is not the wedding but the gay. I think this wedding cake thing is just a passive-aggressive response to secular society not allowing you to throw gays off of buildings any more. I can bet that if I walked into an anti-gay-wedding-cake-christian-bigot bakery and announced I wanted to buy a birthday cake for my gay lover I would get the same response.



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Tangle
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Message 223 of 1484 (802424)
03-16-2017 11:38 AM
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03-16-2017 11:22 AM


Re: FYI
Faith writes:


I guess I'm not getting your point.

You're not.

If someone is going to get involved in such a big costly deal as a wedding cake it would be scheduled for a particular wedding and the bakery would deliver it and set it up. I don't think you could just order a cake without giving all that information, if that's what you are saying.

So the baker knows that his cake is going to a gay wedding. But it's a bog-standard cake straight out of the catelogue. Does he still sell i?


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Faith
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Message 224 of 1484 (802425)
03-16-2017 11:41 AM
Reply to: Message 222 by AZPaul3
03-16-2017 11:37 AM


Re: FYI
Nothing I've said justifies such a remark. The truth is that you and others are out to get US, not Christians out to get gays.

Gays have been served by Christian businesses regularly without a problem, until this law was passed that involve special orders that entail personal involvement for a gay wedding, which is strictly forbidden because of God's ordinance of marriage as for one man and one woman.

But believe what you want. The country has already gone to Hell, might as well take it to the max and lie about Christians too.

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Faith
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Message 225 of 1484 (802426)
03-16-2017 11:50 AM
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03-16-2017 11:38 AM


Re: FYI
The cake has to be personally constructed. That involves the baker personally in the gay wedding. So no.
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