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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8527 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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The witches could succeed. I guess you'll cheer when that happens. I will cheer when things like witchcraft, satan, rapture, demons, TrueChristianTM, christianity, religion and irrational anti-science hogwash all leave their places of undue influence over the collective human conscience. I will cheer when you and your brethren lose their obsession trying to dictate who everyone else is allowed to love. I will cheer when our chosen leaders and the people themselves abandon fairy tales and evil religious myth and rule their hearts, minds and actions with rational intellect, evidence-based fact and a realization that all people, Faith, all people are entitled to live in this short life with dignity and honor. I will cheer the death of the obsessed irrational thought.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I will cheer when you and your brethren lose their obsession trying to dictate who everyone else is allowed to love. Of course this thread isn't about Christians dictating anything, it's about a law dictating to Christians, forcing us by law to accept something that is against our Christian conscience, forcing us to refuse to obey it and therefore be punished. But of course I also have to remind you that we're talking about what God commands, not Christians, so your whole understanding of these things is wrong. Most people already share your views of a rational utopian world. I did too up until my mid-forties. Turns out it's false. Sounds good I guess, but it's false. I feel sorry for gays, I really do. They didn't ask for their situation and all they want is the right to live as they choose. Seems simple, but things are a lot more complicated than that and what you are asking for would hurt them, not help them. I'm sure you think if you can shut us up everything will be fine. I've never fully believed in the "pre-tribulation Rapture" but find myself hoping against hope it's going to happen soon. Then maybe you could see if things are really fine or not. I don't want anybody, even you, to go through "the tribulation," but I have a feeling it's the only way some people have a chance of being saved. You, lots of others here, lots of gay people, my own family.
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0
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Being a cynical life long never married, why would any sane person want to spend a bunch of money on such a thing? Think of the pizza and beer you could get for the same price! And why does a wedding need a professional photographer? Most everyone is armed with smart phones that can capture the event just fine. Guess it's a potlatch sort of thing. Moose
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2323 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Perhaps you should start a thread about homosexual acts and how you feel it relates to eschatology Faith. I am interested in your view with regards to the tiny book of Jude which quotes the gigantically important Book of Enoch which has fallen angels as an end times issue PLUS a reference to Sodom and Gomorrah. I feel the Sodom issue relates to angels and sex but is the possible homosexual angle the reason for your post?
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 305 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Have you noticed the active witchcraft out there? The plans to bring down Trump by witchcraft? I suppose you think it's all a big joke? Of course. Question is, why don't you? Don't you think God is omnipotent? Don't you think that Satan can't harm a hair of Trump's head unless God permits it --- no, commands it? Don't you agree with Calvin when he says: * "God bends all the reprobate, and even Satan himself, at his will." * "Satan himself performs his part, just as he is impelled, and succeeds only in so far as he is permitted." * "Satan and all the wicked are so under the hand and authority of God, that he directs their malice to whatever end he pleases, and employs their iniquities to execute his Judgments." * "The devil, and the whole train of the ungodly, are, in all directions, held in by the hand of God as with a bridle, so that they can neither conceive any mischief, nor plan what they have conceived, nor how much soever they may have planned, move a single finger to perpetrate, unless in so far as he permits, nay, unless in so far as he commands." So Trump has nothing to worry about ... unless of course God remembers that pride, greed, covetousness, anger, theft, bearing false witness and adultery are meant to be sins.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: Since you can't even manage to work out which law you are objecting to it seems rather more likely to me that a lot of the upset comes precisely from a failure to dictate to the government. "Christians" have spewed a lot of lies and hate to try to prevent gays getting rights and it is rather hard to believe that the anger over the SCOTUS decision has nothing to do with the fact that it marked the failure of those efforts. It is a fact that the SCOTUS decision in itself did not provide grounds for any prosecutions - all of them are based in State anti-discrimination laws. It is a fact that the prosecutions could have occurred even without the SCOTUS decision. So why blame the SCOTUS decision rather than the State laws ? Why even think that the prosecutions could happen anywhere when there are States where gays are not legally protected from this sort of discrimination?
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8527 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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Of course this thread isn't about Christians dictating anything, it's about a law dictating to Christians, forcing us by law to accept something that is against our Christian conscience, forcing us to refuse to obey it and therefore be punished. That’s just the thing, M’lady. Your Christian conscience is borne of hate, ill will and malice toward fellow human beings. You're entitled to preach that in your church but, its continued open expression in the marketplace is an abomination to secular society. I understand that those words secular society are what chafe the souls of you and your TrueChristianTM fellows. Your open actions of hate and oppression, to humiliate and degrade those who are different, are seen by you as some kind of god-given right to purify the people and sanctify what should be a christian society. You believe that stopping your hateful oppression of others is an oppression of your Christianity. Such is the twisted mind of the TrueChristianTM. Well, get used to it, Luv. Enlightenment 2.0 is upon us and there will be much more of this in the decades to come.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined:
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Minnemouseus writes: I don't really know, but my wife of around 30 years did insist on a beautiful wedding cake when we got married. Not as extravagant as that one on the photo's photographed in some palace, but the one we got was very, very expensive in those days. I thought she was insane, but did it for wedding bliss and didn't want to spoil her day. Maybe one of the secrets of a long and happy marriage is an expensive wedding cake? Being a cynical life long never married, why would any sane person want to spend a bunch of money on such a thing? But, I agree with you, paying lots of money for a wedding cake is ridiculous. My wife disagrees. Yet, she is very, very sane. Maybe all the trappings involved in a wedding are more important to females than to males? In my case the wedding was special, but not really that special. To her it meant a lot. Maybe some men do attach just as much importance to the meaning of a wedding day as my wife did? Each person thinks differently, I guess.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined:
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Have you noticed the active witchcraft out there? The plans to bring down Trump by witchcraft? I suppose you think it's all a big joke? Of course. Question is, why don't you? Don't you think God is omnipotent? Don't you think that Satan can't harm a hair of Trump's head unless God permits it --- no, commands it? Oh but I do. The thing is I don't know God's will in this case. I was amazed that He allowed us any reprieve at all from the political horrors of the last few decades and particularly the last eight years, all the crooks and liars out to destroy the country. I thought we were going to get an escalation of same with HC. I figured we deserved it, more of God's judgment. So I was amazed and relieved along with most conservatives that we got the conservative guy who loves America and wants to save us from all that. At the same time I knew we still had to be under God's judgment unless something drastic changed. I've been waiting to see how far Trump can go with his plans, or if he'll be destroyed by the evil powers that have been on his case since he was elected, illegally, against all American principles and traditions. It's still not completely clear, but I'm not at all surprised to hear there are witches -- in Hollywood and elsewhere -- dispatching their demon friends to do him in. Sure I agree with Calvin, but it's not so much about Trump's sins as the nation's sins -- and besides, the idea is screamingly ridiculous that Trump is even a tenth the sinner Hillary is --, but prayer is also part of God's plan, and the outcome is never known in advance. A temporary reprieve may be all that fits into the spiritual economy of the moment and we'll be going back to the full-blown horror show -- or maybe it will drag on a long time with the current horror show. Things are horrific enough anyway with the relentless arrogant disruptiveness of the Left. Time will tell of course. But this is of course off topic.
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Faith writes: It's still not completely clear, but I'm not at all surprised to hear there are witches -- in Hollywood and elsewhere -- dispatching their demon friends to do him in. That has got to be one of the funniest things you've posted ever.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.7
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Jar writes: That has got to be one of the funniest things you've posted ever. Mad as a box of frogs. Sheesh...... Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Of course this thread isn't about Christians dictating anything, it's about a law dictating to Christians, forcing us by law to accept something that is against our Christian conscience, forcing us to refuse to obey it and therefore be punished. That’s just the thing, M’lady. Your Christian conscience is borne of hate, ill will and malice toward fellow human beings. That's false and mean. The Christian conscience that the business people have acted on against the law legalizing same-sex marriage is totally born of obedience to God. Period. A believer who understands the situation as they do, and I do, HAS to obey God, God established marriage and that is that. There is no hate involved, it's about the law, not the people. And again, the Oregon bakers made a little cake for the couple they'd refused, expressing love toward them. The hate is all coming from you, blood-curdling hate.
You're entitled to preach that in your church but, its continued open expression in the marketplace is an abomination to secular society. If Christians are put in the position of having to choose to obey God or a secular law, we obey God, and that is what legalizing gay marriage has done to Christians in businesses that cater weddings. "We should obey God rather than man" it says in Acts 5:19. Your not believing in God makes no difference to what we do. Of course the state can punish those who choose God and has done so already. Maybe you could get yourself elected to some post where you could help determine the punishment? It sounds like it would give you much delight. Torture? Would that appease your secular conscience?
I understand that those words secular society are what chafe the souls of you and your TrueChristianTM fellows. Secular society doesn't always make laws we can't obey. I'm sorry our disobedience is hurtful to some but that's the law's fault, not ours.
Your open actions of hate and oppression, to humiliate and degrade those who are different, are seen by you as some kind of god-given right to purify the people and sanctify what should be a christian society. Um, no. We're talking about a particular law that can put us in a difficult position, that's all. Your imagination is running away with you.
You believe that stopping your hateful oppression of others is an oppression of your Christianity. Such is the twisted mind of the TrueChristianTM. Well, it IS an oppression of Christianity to devise a law that forces us to make the choice this one does. I don't know why you keep arguing about it either since from the beginning it's been clear that we know and expect that disobedience to this law will get us punished. Isn't that enough for you? (Obviously not, you have to make sure we are verbally raked over the coals. At what point will the raking bre enough for you?)
Well, get used to it, Luv. Enlightenment 2.0 is upon us and there will be much more of this in the decades to come. Again, isn't that what I've been saying from the beginning of this thread? It's the oddest thing. What I've said from the beginning keeps being said back to me as if I hadn't said it. Strange indeed. You need to wear a napkin around your neck by the way, to keep the viper's venom from staining your shirt. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Your Christian conscience is borne of hate, ill will and malice toward fellow human beings. I dunno, man. You're the one cheering death. Just sayin'.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2323 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
This whole obsession with gay "sins" confuses me. Sorry if this was already addressed but all the loaded side issues have larded this discussion and I missed the actual theological specifics.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 305 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Oh but I do. The thing is I don't know God's will in this case. But whatever it is, it'll be awesome, yes? 'Cos of him being God? If he smites Trump with the seven plagues of Egypt, that'll be good, and if he doesn't, that'll also be good, right? Surely the great thing about being a Calvinist is that you get to be totally stoked over anything that actually happens, since whatever does happen is God's wondrous plan which it would be blasphemous to disapprove of in any way.
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