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PaulK
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Message 361 of 1484 (802655)
03-19-2017 3:12 AM
Reply to: Message 360 by Rrhain
03-19-2017 2:33 AM


Re: No case at all
quote:
And yet your tail is between your legs.
And you lie again.
quote:
You mean you didn't write the things you wrote?
If I meant that I would have said it. Don't forget, people can go back and read my posts.
quote:
If you didn't mean it what you wrote, why did you write it? If you think you've been misinterpreted, why don't you rephrase?
I've been pointing out your misinterpretation from that start. I have tried a rephrasing.
quote:
Remember, everyone can see your posts. They can see me quoting you again and again. They can see you trying to pretend that you didn't write what you wrote.
So everyone can see that you're a liar. I suppose that makes you very proud,

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Rrhain
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Message 362 of 1484 (802656)
03-19-2017 3:26 AM
Reply to: Message 213 by Faith
03-16-2017 8:57 AM


Re: FYI
Faith writes:
quote:
You and others keep talking about "baking a cake" as if this is about a small affair of the sort you'd make in your own kitchen.
As someone who has done this for a living, that's precisely what it is. You do understand that many bakers work out of their own kitchens, yes? The only need for industrial equipment is if your volume is such that you need to make that much that fast. All you need as an oven, a flat space to work, a turntable, and some skill with a pastry bag.
There is no magic.
quote:
This is just a reminder that a wedding cake is a special custom creation that takes days to put together and costs a LOT of money.
Just like every other cake such as these birthday cakes:
And by the way: That image you chose of the black-and-white tiers with the flowers? That came up under "birthday cake." You will note that there's nothing about that cake that screams "wedding." Surely you aren't saying that graduated tier cakes can only be served at weddings, are you?
Don't confuse the fact that *you* are incapable of creating such a cake with some sort of universal trait. That's why people go to bakers, Faith: They want something they can't make for themselves.
The only reason the wedding cake would "cost a LOT of money" is because you may be serving more people and that the baker is overcharging you precisely because you said the w-word.
quote:
Even the most minimal wedding cake is a big deal.
Really? If you're only having a small ceremony of a dozen people, why on earth do you need a gigantic cake?
Do you really think that this cake is a "big deal" to make?
Again, just because *you* are content slapping together something from Duncan Hines for your birthday doesn't mean everybody else is. Some people throw huge birthday bashes and want really fancy cakes.
Did you pay attention to the inauguration? They had a cake there. Well, Trump had a copy of Obama's inaugural cake, but it was a presentation piece. Is that not allowed? Only weddings get to have fancy cakes?
Have you not heard of any of the baking reality shows and competitions? They make cakes for all sorts of reasons that have nothing to do with weddings from grand openings to celebrations of sports teams to birthdays to....
Here's one Duff of Charm City Cakes did for New Year:
That probably took a lot of work and more skill then you and I have put together. Does the fact that it is so difficult to do mean they can deny service to someone based off religious objections?
Here's a birthday cake they made:
Why would replacing the "50" at the top with a wedding topper make it a cake that a baker has the right to refuse to sell to someone?
quote:
The baker puts a LOT into such a creation. It's a huge investment of the baker's personality and time.
So why is a wedding cake, which is no different from any other cake that the baker would make, something that the baker gets to violate anti-discrimination law on?
What is the difference between a wedding cake and any other cake?

Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.

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Rrhain
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Message 363 of 1484 (802657)
03-19-2017 3:30 AM
Reply to: Message 216 by Faith
03-16-2017 9:12 AM


Re: FYI
Faith writes:
quote:
It becomes a problem when the baker is personally engaged in doing something for a gay wedding.
How does this cake:
Suddenly become something the baker is "personally engaged in doing" by replacing the "50" with a wedding topper? What is it about that "50" that removes the baker from the baked good?
You keep intimating that you think there's something different about a wedding cake, but you keep refusing to give any indication as to what it is.

Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.

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Rrhain
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Message 364 of 1484 (802658)
03-19-2017 3:35 AM
Reply to: Message 220 by New Cat's Eye
03-16-2017 10:52 AM


Re: related issues
New Cat's Eye runs away:
quote:
Yeah, I'm not gonna read all your psycho-analysis bullshit. And correcting your misunderstandings of what I think is too laborsome.
So when you wrote what you wrote, you didn't actually write it? When you directly said what I quoted you as saying, you didn't actually mean it?
quote:
I don't think anti-discrimination laws are totalitarian.
And yet you have been quoted as saying that directly.
quote:
I don't have a problem with anti-discrimination laws.
And yet you have been quoted as saying that directly.
quote:
I do think we could get along without them.
Thus, contradicting your first two statements.
quote:
And its the approach, or tactic, that is being employed that I am calling totalitarian, not the laws themselves.
And yet you have been quoted as saying something else.
But, let's assume you're walking it all back and want to start again. Exactly how is that being done?
Remember, you got the lunch counter sit-in all wrong. So was that "totalitarian" to do?
What's the point of having anti-discrimination law if it is "totalitarian" to request it be enforced?

Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.

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Rrhain
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Message 365 of 1484 (802659)
03-19-2017 3:38 AM
Reply to: Message 224 by Faith
03-16-2017 11:41 AM


Re: FYI
Faith writes:
quote:
Gays have been served by Christian businesses regularly without a problem, until this law was passed that involve special orders that entail personal involvement for a gay wedding, which is strictly forbidden because of God's ordinance of marriage as for one man and one woman.
Blacks have been served by Christian businesses regularly without a problem, until this law was passed that involve special orders that entail personal involvement for an interracial wedding, which is strictly forbidden because of god's ordinance of marriage as to keep the races separate.
Yeah...that sounds really racist, doesn't it?
If it's a bogus argument when applied to race, why does it suddenly become legitimate when applied to sexual orientation?
Remember, Faith, up until court rulings like Loving v. Virginia, that was the argument against interracial marriage: It was "against god's ordinance."

Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.

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Faith 
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Message 366 of 1484 (802660)
03-19-2017 3:47 AM
Reply to: Message 363 by Rrhain
03-19-2017 3:30 AM


Re: FYI
You are aggressively missing the point, as usual.
The reason to point out that the wedding cake is a big project is to emphasize the personal involvement that engages the baker's conscience. There is no issue if a cake is bought off the shelf.
It also doesn't matter how big a project a birthday cake might also be, a birthday cake doesn't engage the baker's conscience. AS I'VE SAID OVER AND OVER AND OVER HERE.
SUCH AS IN Message 230 and Message 216 and Message 1, the OP even. Also on other threads about this same subject.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 367 of 1484 (802661)
03-19-2017 3:50 AM
Reply to: Message 365 by Rrhain
03-19-2017 3:38 AM


Re: FYI
There is no such thing as sexual orientation, homosexual acts are sin. Comparing it to race is in itself sin. WHICH DOESN'T MEAN WE ARE TO DISCRIMINATE AGAINST THE SINNER, BUT WE ALSO AREN"T TO TREAT THE SIN AS A MERE SEXUAL VARIATION, WHICH IS WHAT LEGAL GAY MARRIAGE ASKS OF US.
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Rrhain
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Message 368 of 1484 (802662)
03-19-2017 3:52 AM
Reply to: Message 208 by Tangle
03-16-2017 4:09 AM


Re: don't rock the boat
Tangle writes:
quote:
A cake is trivia and always will be. I understand that it stands for more than the cake, and I understand that you feel that you've suffered for being what you are, and it's fun to mess with bigots - maybe once.
But if there are continued national outrages caused by minor issues it may become counterproductive.
Hmmm....
Lunch is trivial and always will be. I understand that it stands for more than the lunch, and I understand that you feel that you've suffered for being what you are, and it's fun to mess with bigots - maybe once.
But if there are continued national outrages caused by minor issues it may become counterproductive.
Is that what you would have told the lunch counter protests? I mean, it's just lunch, right? And after they did that sit-in at the one counter, they should have stopped right there because hey, they messed with the bigots once and there's no need to continue, right?
The bus is trivial and always will be. I understand that it stands for more than the lunch, and I understand that you feel that you've suffered for being what you are, and it's fun to mess with bigots - maybe once.
But if there are continued national outrages caused by minor issues it may become counterproductive.
So Rosa Parks was being "petty"?
Yeah, phrased that way, it sounds awfully racist to tell blacks that their fights for integration for things like water fountains and restaurants and the frickin' bus were "counterproductive." But here you are, making that exact argument to gay people.
"But there are more important things!" As if there's only one thing that can be done at a time, you are the Keeper of the Sacred Schedule, and until we end the war in Syria, gay people are just going to have to wait.
After all, you know what's important for everybody. How dare somebody contradict you about what they consider to be important.
Nobody is expecting you to take up arms.
But they are expecting you to stop being part of the problem.

Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.

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Phat
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Message 369 of 1484 (802663)
03-19-2017 4:08 AM
Reply to: Message 367 by Faith
03-19-2017 3:50 AM


Re: FYI
There is no such thing as sexual orientation, homosexual acts are sin.
If so, heterosexual acts outside of marriage are equally sinful. And do you honestly believe that anyone attracted to members of their own sex has a mental disorder or a demon?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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Tangle
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Message 370 of 1484 (802664)
03-19-2017 4:13 AM
Reply to: Message 368 by Rrhain
03-19-2017 3:52 AM


Re: don't rock the boat
Rrhain writes:
Nobody is expecting you to take up arms.
But they are expecting you to stop being part of the problem.
Which is exactly the point you and Modulous are missing. You risk alienating your friends by raving at those that support your cause but have the audacity to suggest that maybe other ways of pursuing it are now possible.
It's just another way of saying 'you're not like us so shut up.'

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Rrhain
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Message 371 of 1484 (802666)
03-19-2017 4:15 AM
Reply to: Message 314 by Faith
03-18-2017 9:26 AM


Re: FYI
Faith writes:
quote:
A wedding cake is not something you'd find on a supermarket shelf.
Yes, it is.
You didn't think everybody who had a wedding spent hundreds of dollars on the cake, did you?
A "wedding cake" is a cake that is served at a wedding. There is nothing specific about it. There aren't special ingredients that can only be used on a wedding cake lest it explode.
Remember, Faith: I used to be a cake decorator. We did out-of-the-case cakes and custom jobs.
There is no difference between the two except the timing: In the former, you do all the work first and then the customer comes to buy it. In the latter, the customer comes first and then you do all the work.
The work itself is identical.

Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.

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Rrhain
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Message 372 of 1484 (802668)
03-19-2017 4:24 AM
Reply to: Message 344 by Tangle
03-18-2017 3:57 PM


Tangle writes:
quote:
But I *am* on the side of LGBT folk that can see beyond their own prejudice.
Thus proving that you're not on the side of gay folk.
Hint: Who are you to tell gay people what "their own prejudice" is?

Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.

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Rrhain
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Message 373 of 1484 (802670)
03-19-2017 4:31 AM
Reply to: Message 354 by Tangle
03-18-2017 5:55 PM


Tangle writes responds to Modulous:
quote:
quote:
They are not the people who are saying gay folk are being prejudiced against Christians when they make formal complaints to regulatory boards after being illegally harmed by them.
I think your emotions have got the better of you.
And there we have it.
If someone disagrees with you, they're "emotional." Dare I say, "hysterical"?
So a "formal complaint to regulatory boards after being illegally harmed" is an act of emotion?
Then what's the point of having a regulatory board if the only time people use it is when they're being emotional?
Of course, there's the assumption that somehow "being emotional" is bad. I mean, how dare somebody actually care about their own lives and take actions to improve their emotional state!
Especially if causes someone else to feel the emotion of irritation!
I think your emotions have got the better of you.

Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.

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Faith 
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Message 374 of 1484 (802671)
03-19-2017 4:36 AM
Reply to: Message 371 by Rrhain
03-19-2017 4:15 AM


Re: FYI
Good grief man, THINK.
IF YOU CAN GET A WEDDING CAKE OFF THE SHELF THEN IT ISN'T A PROBLEM FOR THE BAKER. It's when the baker has to make it personally specifically for the wedding, WHICH IS THE CASE IN MOST BAKERIES, that it becomes a problem in the case of a gay wedding.
GOOD GRIEF, MAN, PLUG IN YOUR BRAIN!. And at least once in a while READ WHAT I'VE WRITTEN.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Rrhain
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Message 375 of 1484 (802672)
03-19-2017 4:37 AM
Reply to: Message 357 by JonF
03-18-2017 6:43 PM


Re: Bible definition of gay marriage
JonF writes:
quote:
"Cleave" is probably the only word in the English language that is its own antonym.
There's actually quite a lot:
He was bound (restrained) and gagged and put on a midnight train bound (moving) for Georgia.
It is custom (commonplace) to get a custom (unique) cake for a wedding, but certainly not required.
After you dust (apply) the board with flour, be sure to dust (remove) the table to get rid of the excess.
After the cutting remark, it was interesting to see how fast (quick) his tongue held fast (stopped).
The light was out (invisible) so we could see the stars that were out (visible).
He weathered (endured) the weather until it weathered (eroded) him away.
There are more, of course.

Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.

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