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Pressie
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Message 12 of 93 (794556)
11-17-2016 5:35 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Gregory Rogers
11-16-2016 5:33 AM


Gregory Rogers writes:
1. The vast majority of mutations in evolutionary history are said to be disadvantageous.
That's not true. Mutations in the germ line can be disadvantageous, neutral or advantageous. And mutations can be advantageous in one environment and disadvantageous in another.
Gregory Rogers writes:
One debate I watched suggested that 80 to 90 percent were so.
Watching debates are not useful. People tend to tell porkies in oral debates, because there's not time to check the sources.
What would be more useful would be to do research. And research doesn't mean this one said this; this one said that, at all. That's not research and the opposite of science.

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Message 13 of 93 (794560)
11-17-2016 7:42 AM


This one was funny.
Gregory Rogers writes:
This time I have a query on the issue of genetic mutations...
It seems as if this guy is really, really not too bright, while pretending to be brilliant. 'The issue of genetic mutations', hey?
Let's take a guess and be a Prophet. Gregory doesn't know how to measure 'genetic information', yet would go on about telling everyone in the world exactly how to quantify "more'' or "less'' genetic information because he read someting about it on some religious website.
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Message 22 of 93 (794609)
11-18-2016 6:59 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by Dr Adequate
11-17-2016 12:13 PM


Thanks, Doc. To me it's just unbelievable that someone would read a few creationist tracts and then think that it's 'scientific'. Then repeat untruths and all that.
I'll shut up.

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Message 36 of 93 (797650)
01-25-2017 5:55 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by CRR
01-22-2017 3:08 AM


However even the very few beneficial mutations are usually information losing in some way.
Really? How do you measure genetic information? Please provide the units of measurement. Without units of measurement there's no way of telling whether information is lost or gained.
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Message 40 of 93 (797779)
01-27-2017 5:44 AM
Reply to: Message 38 by CRR
01-27-2017 3:23 AM


CRR writes:
@RAZD, @Pressie, @ Dr Adequate
How is information defined, quantified, measured, and what are the units of measurement?
You are suggesting...
What a long, long way of acknowledging that you don't have the foggiest of what you're talking about when talking about "more or less genetic information".
CRR writes:
So we don't have to precisely define, quantify, and measure information for it to be real and for us to talk comparatively about gain or loss of information. E Coli has a genome of ~5e6 base pairs and ~5000 genes. Humans have a genome of ~3e9 base pairs and ~20,000 genes. There is little doubt that the human genome contains more information than the E. coli genome.
So, let's get it clear. You measure 'genetic information' as the number of base pairs in the genome together with the number of genes? Is that how you do it?
So, according to you the bigger the number of base pairs together with the bigger the number of genes the 'more the genetic information' an organism has? Is that how you quantify "genetic information"?

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Pressie
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Message 41 of 93 (797781)
01-27-2017 6:18 AM
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01-27-2017 3:23 AM


CRR writes:
=@RAZD, @Pressie, @ Dr Adequate
How is information defined, quantified, measured, and what are the units of measurement?
Oh, and QSS, you changing things from "genetic information" to "information" didn't go unnoticed.

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Message 46 of 93 (798206)
02-01-2017 6:16 AM


Bump for CRR
Seeing that you appeared since your last post on this subject; just wanted to know whether you have figured out how to quantify genetic information yet.

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Message 49 of 93 (798211)
02-01-2017 6:52 AM
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02-01-2017 6:48 AM


Re: Bump for CRR
Ah, great. I have no way of quantifying "genetic information". You claimed that you can. So do it.
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Message 51 of 93 (798217)
02-01-2017 7:18 AM
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02-01-2017 7:07 AM


So, again you can't tell us how to measure "genetic information".

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Message 52 of 93 (798220)
02-01-2017 8:00 AM
Reply to: Message 50 by CRR
02-01-2017 7:07 AM


This one is funny.
CRR writes:
That would be a naive way of thinking about it...
That's the way you, yourself proposed.

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Message 59 of 93 (798527)
02-03-2017 5:06 AM
Reply to: Message 58 by Taq
02-02-2017 5:02 PM


After all of this, CRR was still unable to provide any quantitavive analyses on how to determine whether any organism has "more" or "less" genetic information than another organism. Couldn't tell us how an organism could "gain" or " loose" genetic information. All CRR did was to claim that thumb-sucks count as "science".
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Message 60 of 93 (798871)
02-06-2017 6:20 AM


Bump this up again.
I want to bump this up again. CRR has no way of quantifiying the amount of genetic information in any organism.
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Message 83 of 93 (802778)
03-20-2017 7:24 AM
Reply to: Message 82 by CRR
03-20-2017 6:47 AM


So, no quantitative result for measuring genetic information yet?

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Message 90 of 93 (803113)
03-24-2017 6:16 AM
Reply to: Message 88 by Dr Adequate
03-20-2017 11:41 PM


Ah, a creationist being photoshopped into a lab she's never worked in ...

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Message 91 of 93 (803114)
03-24-2017 6:32 AM
Reply to: Message 86 by CRR
03-20-2017 10:11 PM


Ah, her PhD thesis. Ever read it? I have an electronic copy available at the organisation I work at. Do you? Let's give you a little hint. It mentions millions of years. And nothing about 6000 years.
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