Gay Marriage as an attack on Christianity

Of course, based on that logic, Christians should boycott Disney movies, Liquor stores, and marijuana dispensaries...but I hardly see that happening.

What?

By asking for equal access to goods and services as straight people have? Doesn't sound like singling themselves out. Christians of various stripes have been provoking gays for a long time. They gays provocation is 'may I have access to your goods and services the same as a straight person would, please?' Even if that were true, gays have been there for years and years and were unprotected by laws in contradiction to western beliefs. The laws have been around for like a decade (Oregon passed its law in 2007 and gave businesses nearly a year to adopt - the shop that got sued for a six figure amount opened AFTER the law was passed). They've had plenty of time, they were given 9 months notice, many bakers manage to get by without doing wedding cakes. Your solution is for gays to give up their freedoms, dignity and equality. I think these outweigh the concerns of the bakers. Can you tell me why they shouldn't? I think any injustice for bakers is outweighed by the injustice being done to gays.Do you agree that your right to life overrides my right to kill you for religious reasons?Edited by Modulous, : No reason given.

Not at all. They aren't asking for anything that anybody else isn't entitled to. It's not a basic Christian belief. It's a whacko fringe belief. Yes, the same as the slave owners were asked to give up their livelihood. That's what I said. If you think you're aiding and abetting a sinner, stop doing it. Don't compound the offense by breaking the law.

No, they are asking for something THEY aren't entitled to. Marriage was designed for heterosexuals, who are capable of becoming one flesh, as objectively expressed in the conception of children who are the one flesh composed of their parents' flesh.You are the one in sin. Pluck out your eye already.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Meaning you don't have an answer again? Yeah, he'd bake 'em a cake and sing at the reception. Hmmm, interesting point. Would Jesus support same sex marriage? I don't know, the Bible writers didn't include any stories that tell us. Certainly if someone like Jesus, who was all about love and understanding, were alive today he would support it.That sort of brings us to the thread's title, Gay Marriage as an attack on Christianity. Marriage is an institution that spans all religions and cultures, so how could gay marriage be an attack on one single religion? Why isn't gay marriage an attack on Islam or Buddhism or Judaism?--Percy

What interaction with a gay couple wouldn't be interpreted as affirming the legitimacy of gay marriage? How is letting them in the store or saying hello to them on the street not affirming gay marriage? Once you've singled them out for special treatment there's nowhere to draw the line.Writing a message is the only objection that makes sense. One shouldn't be compelled to write things one doesn't believe.--Percy

Perhaps you should ponder your last question: why isn't it? Why is it only Christian wedding services that are sued? Hm?Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Under the law, they are. YOU are not entitled to deny it to them. That's only your belief, and an empty one at that. You are not entitled to break the law for the sake of a belief - ESPECIALLY when it would be so easy to just give up your slaves. ALL have sinned.

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Gays are singling themselves out and Christians are responding to their provocations.

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In other words gays should get back in the closet.

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The Christian businesses have been there for years and along comes this law that contradicts basic Christian belief

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Taking your earlier words to heart I must do you the kindness of pointing out that this is a lie. The laws - State laws - you are complaining about have mostly been around for a while and do not "contradict basic Christian belief". You know this.

Not explicitly. But Paul points out that

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It is good for a man not to touch a woman.

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seek not a wife.

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It is good for a man to {be a virgin}

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after all:

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He that is unmarried careth for the things that belong to the Lord....he that is married careth for the things that are of the world

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And thus one should be chaste. It is better to be unmarried and chaste says Paul:

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I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I.

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Of course, fornication is worse than unchastity so:

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But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.

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So marriage isn't good. It's just better than being horny and screwing around.So it seems to me, although Paul would disagree specifically through special pleading perhaps, that his general argument is that gays should marry because it is better for a gay to be in a monogomous relationships where they promise in front of god to remain so than for them to tied by no vows and live in fornication. Being gay and a fornicator is surely doubly sinful than just being one or the other.As Paul later says:

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Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called.

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If you were called to find men attractive then you must abide by that, and if you cannot contain your lusts, you should marry as living a sin with one is better than fornicating with many.

No, they should stop doing things to provoke Chrisitans. Otherwise they can do what they want as always.

Obviously it's impossible to keep up a debate when one party makes nonsensical illogical posts such as yours.

It is certainly not clear that your idea of "provocation" excludes being openly gay - with the whole idea that being gay is sinful. And even if you do not take that attitude, other "Christians" may well.I also note no sign that you repent of your sin.

On the contrary, it should be fairly easy to point out the logic errors if they're there. But you can't, can you? So you just run away.