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Can you disprove this secular argument against evolution?

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ringo
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03-31-2017 11:58 AM 		Reply to: Message 13 by forexhr
03-31-2017 11:51 AM

forexhr writes:
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Premise 5: There are 10e63 junk(non-selectable) arrangements of CHNOPS in just one simple bio-structure (protein).
How do you determine what is "selectable" and what is not?
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04-03-2017 11:49 AM 		Reply to: Message 41 by forexhr
04-03-2017 10:29 AM

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I am well aware of just so stories that people use in order to rationalize their beliefs....
Your math is a just-so story. Nobody has to "believe" in anything to question your math. Back up your math. Link it to reality.
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04-06-2017 12:12 PM 		Reply to: Message 89 by forexhr
04-06-2017 9:11 AM

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The argument that I am talking about is just the tip of the iceberg.
Every ice cube doesn't have an iceberg below it.
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04-07-2017 11:53 AM 		Reply to: Message 101 by forexhr
04-07-2017 7:14 AM

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You can repeat your mantra all you want, but it's not going to change the fact that individual organisms are what live, die, and reproduce, not populations. And in order to have evolution you need reproduction.
Reproduction involves two generations, the producer(s) and the product. The product is different from the individual producers. That is what drives evolution.
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