Gay Marriage as an attack on Christianity

It doesn't matter.If you run a service business, and the law requires you to serve all customers without discrimination, then you serve all customers. If you are not willing to do that, then don't run a service business.

Uh huh, thank you for stating the obvious for the zillionth time. We really really needed to hear that.

Hi Faith,I hate to get involved in a thread of this nature but after reading a few posts I feel I must express my opinion on the matter. But they all believe in a Government that does have a religious influence.There is not a person here that supports abortion or gay rights that does not believe in the Government dictating religious beliefs.When the Government starts dictating religious beliefs that I must obey with penalty of law, the Government has violated my freedom of religion, as it is dictating Church doctrine.When the Government dictates Church doctrine it has established a religion.God Bless,

Describe a position on abortion that does not result in dictating religious beliefs on someone. Once again you've gotten to the armpit of the matter while looking for its heart.ABE:Once people figure out that having religious beliefs does not allow you to change the behavior of others, these seeming conundrums go away.Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Bullshit.Sorry but that is simply utter nonsense and yet another attempt at a theistic con job.No law mandates that anyone have an abortion.No law mandates anyone must marry someone of the same sex.You position is not just dishonest it is absurd.AbE: The government does not dictate doctrine. Those who believe abortion is wrong are absolutely free to not get abortions.Those who believe same-sex marriages are wrong are absolutely free to not marry someone of the same sex.Tell a religion that it cannot force it's beliefs on those who believe differently is not establishing a religion.Edited by jar, : see AbE and fix the sub-title

This is probably the silliest least relevant point that gets made on this subject. Silly straw man, ridiculous.As for abortion, we aren't free to withhold our tax support for the murdering of babies though, are we? We are FORCED to fund this evil "service."And, what this thread IS about, we aren't free to refuse to accept gay marriage by refusing to serve a gay wedding either, we are subject to penalties for acting on our religious belief."Freedom," ha!

Your point is way way too sophisticated for this thread, ICANT. We are back in kindergarten on the subject of American freedoms, and even at that level it's impossible to keep the topic straight. But thanks for the effort.

Correct, no religious belief justifies breaking the law.It really is that simple Faith, Thank God! Fortunately in the US Faith, the only tax dollars used to murder babies is called the military budget and even there it is stupid to call it murder. Abortion in the US is not murder and those that use that term are at best ignorant, possibly deluded but most likely just lying.

Sure, well I guess we COULD call a beheading tickling the throat," or violent gang rape "the hokey pokey," or The Rack a medical treatment? Why not, word magic is really very effective at denying freedoms and covering up crimes and the like.And of course we mustn't ever break the law by for instance saving a Jew from the concentration camp? Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Yes, in the US you are free to say things as stupid as that, but it does not alter the fact that while beheading (in most cases; there can be accidental beheadings) and rape are identified as crimes and torture is illegal, abortion is still not murder.Reality once again says you are wrong Faith.AbE:Once again Faith, it has been said that no one's religious beliefs justify breaking the law. There can be simple humanitarian reasons to save Jews, particularly from Christian pogroms.Edited by jar, : see AbEEdited by jar, : appalin grammreEdited by jar, : add space

There are simple humanitarian reasons for saving unborn babies from the abortion slaughterhouse.

Once again Faith, it seems that language is another thing you need to learn. Abortions are not performed on unborn babies or in a slaughterhouse.BUT... the nut jobs that are Right To Lifer have yet to propose the reasonable solution; to step up and adopt and raise and support those fetuses that might get aborted.It really is that simple Faith.Edited by jar, : left out "that are"

Legally aborted fetuses are generally not viable with the exception of those few folks who are unfortunate enough (i.e. about to die) so that they qualify for a late term abortion.The real point is that there is no way to make abortion murder without some particular reason to declare a fetus a human being. The science does not cause us to do that; the ultimate reasons are religious.

I heard this offered as a slightly humorous response to the so-called "Pro-Lifers" by one of their opponents, who I believe was an atheist:

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I am also Pro-Life. However, unlike you who only believes in life before birth and after death, I believe in life after birth and before death.

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He does make a definite point about the so-called "Pro-Lifers" having their priorities all screwed up.An opinion piece I read points out that all this "pro-life" noise is just a smoke screen for what really motivated the Religious Right to organize: school desegregation.

So if I'm unable to adopt a child due to my age and my physical problems I'm not allowed to object to the murder of the unborn? And I'm also therefore somehow morally responsible for its murder in the womb? What kind of nonsense is that? I also wouldn't force my single status on a child, I think children need a father and a mother, but actually if I could I think I would adopt a child or three. I love babies. If I had the means, the situation, the physical health, the money, I think I'd do it.As a matter of fact I have the impression that Christians and conservatives do quite a bit of adopting of children. Often they adopt the older "unadoptables" but there's no reason they wouldn't adopt infants. Do you even have any idea at what rate they adopt or is this just a fun way to call pro-lifers hypocrites? This is a pretty weird accusation.Seems to me in a rational world objecting to abortion wouldn't be a "religious" thing, it would be common sense. All those pushing for the murder of the unborn COULD spend their time more usefully engaged in the problem of taking care of unwanted children one way or another-- start a campaign on behalf of having children or something like that. Why don't YOU ALL step up to the plate instead of rationalizing murder?And quite frankly it also seems to me that common sense would tell a person that marriage is for a man and a woman not two of the same sex -- why is this only an issue for "religious" people? This shouldn't prevent sympathy for gay people, it could even stimulate creative solutions, but my impression is that the leftists don't want to DO anything useful, they just like to accuse conservatives and Christians of whatever they can think up. It's SO much fun. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.