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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Another creationist ignoring any form of scrutiny. Not surprised.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Dredge writes:
Well, following the evidence can take you to strange places - and truth is stranger than fiction. Whale evolution isn't something that anybody is likely to make up.
... except is reduces the noble pursuit of science to embarrassing quackery.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 312 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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The whale tale is one of the funniest yarns concocted by evolutionists: Some land-lubbing, vegetarian deer-like creature supposedly developed a taste for swimming in the ocean and devouring seafood. No. You made that up.
Its nose somehow ends up on top of its head and its legs somehow turn into flippers. Were you asleep in class when they explained the theory of evolution?
I love it! ... except is reduces the noble pursuit of science to embarrassing quackery. Well, scientists --- who unlike you actually carry out "the noble pursuit of science" --- think that evolution is well-supported by the evidence and that creationism is stupid shit.
Isn't it interesting what some people are willing to believe? Some people are willing to believe anything so long as it's proved by the evidence. They're called scientists. Other people believe without evidence that a talking snake outwitted God, and they are called creationists.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 101 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
It never ceases to amaze me that the scientific community invests so much time and effort (and more than a little arrogance and dogma) in a subject that is nothing more than an historical curiosity and is as irrelevant and useless as a fairy tale. It seems to have never occurred to evolutionists that 150 years of research into how one species supposedly gave rise to another species has produced absolutely nothing of any practical use - zilch. It also seems that it has never occurred to evolutionists that perfect uselessness is the hallmark of a theory that is false. I wonder how many more decades will go by before the penny drops.
Furthermore, which part of the whale tale can be put to the test in order to establish its veracity? The embarrassing answer is, none of it. There is no way of knowing whether any of it is factual."It is easy enough to make up stories of how one form gave rise to another ... But such stories are not part of science, for there is no way of putting them to the test." - Dr. Colin Patterson. So your much-vaunted morphology, genetics, embryology and fossil records amount to an exercise in futility that contributes nothing to science.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 101 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
You mentioned paleontology. There are so many grey areas, ambiguities and uncertainties associated with paleontology that the whole flaky mess hardly deserves to be called a science. It should come as no surprise that evolutionists love it so much, since it offers their vivid imaginations a lot of room for expression.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 101 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
I don't know what happened there; as far as I know I only posted it once ... and it is only one sentence from my original post. A bit weird.
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vimesey Member (Idle past 101 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined: |
has produced absolutely nothing of any practical use - zilch. Presumably then, you will be refusing the latest medical treatments if you are unfortunate enough to be diagnosed with a chronic genetic condition ? After all, if the science that led to those treatments is bad, then surely the treatments themselves are bad.Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined:
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Dredge writes: Oh, I don't know. Oil exploration companies employ lots of palaeontologists. Those companies do consider palaeontology one of the natural sciences. One of the hard sciences. Palaeontology is one of the basic sciences they are involved in. You mentioned paleontology. There are so many grey areas, ambiguities and uncertainties associated with paleontology that the whole flaky mess hardly deserves to be called a science. It should come as no surprise that evolutionists love it so much, since it offers their vivid imaginations a lot of room for expression. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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vimesey Member (Idle past 101 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined:
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Here's a quotation from Dr Colin Patterson:
Because creationists lack scientific research to support such theories as a young earth ... a world-wide flood ... or separate ancestry for humans and apes, their common tactic is to attack evolution by hunting out debate or dissent among evolutionary biologists. ... I learned that one should think carefully about candour in argument (in publications, lectures, or correspondence) in case one was furnishing creationist campaigners with ammunition in the form of 'quotable quotes', often taken out of context. Your creationist play book is a bit behind the times on this one - your quoted source does not deny evolution - he studied it and worked as an evolutionary scientist. He denied creationism and creationist arguments. He is really not a good source for you.Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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Dredge Member (Idle past 101 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
In my post I said (or at least, meant to say) that species-to-species research has produced nothing of any practical use. Which medical treatment involves one species evolving from another species?
The point I was trying to make is, if speciation is a "fact", why hasn't it produced a practical use? Evolution is often touted as the greatest discovery in science, yet there is not one, single use for the mechanism that it critically depends on - speciation. Unlike speciation, natural selection is a demonstrable scientific fact that no one can deny. There are many, many practical uses for natural selection. Speciation, in stark contrast, is not a demonstrable scientific fact, and has not a single practical use. Do you see a pattern here? Could it be that speciation is perfectly useless because it's nonsense? That would make a lot of sense. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 101 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Dr. Patterson's words still stand and will always stand - ie, there is no place in science for ideas that can't be tested.
However, ideas that can't be tested might find a home in the realms of pseudo-science and atheist theolgy; evolution being a prime example. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 101 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Ok, well thank you for that information. There must be at least some aspects of paleotology that are true and subsequently, useful. Even the theory of evolution contains some truth that is also useful - natural selection, for example.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Dredge writes: Not true. USING MICROFOSSILS IN PETROLEUM EXPLORATION . Oil exploration. Existing and extinct foraminifera species play an important part in oil exploration. In my post I said (or at least, meant to say) that species-to-species research has produced nothing of any practical use. From there:
quote: Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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Percy Member Posts: 22502 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Dredge writes: I don't know what happened there; as far as I know I only posted it once... Every message is numbered and time stamped - it is pretty clear "what happened." You joined EvC Forum on 6-Sep-16, posted Message 243 as your very first message on 3-Dec-16, ignored the four responses, then posted Message 254 on 4-Apr-17. After I brought the earlier responses to your attention in my Message 255 you responded to one of them.
...and it is only one sentence from my original post. What you're referring to as your "original post," Message 254, is actually your second post to this thread. Your first post was Message 243. They share no sentence beyond "I love it!" The topic of this thread is the evidence for whale evolution, not evolution generally. You should probably review the thread so that you're familiar with the evidence. By the way, though evolution is the most important unifying concept in natural history and is essential to our understanding in myriad ways, there is no requirement that knowledge be of pragmatic use to human beings to be true. --Percy
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Dredge writes: Thank you for admitting reality. Natural selection (amongst others) indeed is very helpful in trying to explain how modern forms of life came to be here. Lots of evidence for natural selection. That's the first step in accepting reality. Ok, well thank you for that information. There must be at least some aspects of paleotology that are true and subsequently, useful. Even the theory of evolution contains some truth that is also useful - natural selection, for example. Now, any evidence that species get poofed into existence?
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