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Faith 
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Message 40 of 85 (804032)
04-06-2017 2:05 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by Coyote
04-06-2017 1:56 PM


Re: Real world evidence
No, it is religious belief that causes creationists to call the dating methods into question.
No you are wrong. It is observations of the real world that suggest a young earth that require calling the dating methods into question. You often make that false assertion about its being religion, but you just aren't thinking about the actual arguments that creationists make, that's just a blind bias of your own. (I'm not commenting on DavidJay's arguments since I don't know yet what they are)
They are not able to show the methods are inaccurate, although they have tried for decades.
I agree that the methods haven't been shown to be false, which is why I don't try to make that argument. I'm saying that the strata themselves don't fit the Old Earth model at all, in many ways I've mentioned, and that fact alone has to call the dating methods into question. You have to respond to these observations instead of just sticking to your dating methods.
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Message 42 of 85 (804034)
04-06-2017 2:28 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by New Cat's Eye
04-06-2017 1:36 PM


Re: Real world evidence
So you're saying one can't make any true observations about say conditions on Mars unless one has been there? Or a geologist who has studied one feature of his science in great depth can't arrive at any true observations about some other facet of the science he hasn't actually experienced? Or nobody can talk about the molecular formula for water without having seen the oxygen and hydrogen atoms actually doing their thing? Did I have to be there when the apple fell on Newton's head to follow his analysis of the event? Is it possible to know anything about anything in the past when all that's available is written documents and maybe some photographs?
Also, I suspect that a person could spend a lifetime in the Grand Canyon and not understand how it formed.
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Faith 
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Message 44 of 85 (804040)
04-06-2017 3:09 PM
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04-06-2017 2:41 PM


Re: Real world evidence
The evidence is given, it is to be judged on its own merits, I'm not claiming anything from the Bible, The fact that it was my original inspiration is irrelevant. Deal with the observations given. If I'm not being objective prove it from the evidence given. Your belief in the ToE makesw you just as likely to be unable to be objective as anybody else with any bias of any kind. All you are doing is stating your own bias, not a valid argument. Deal with the evidence given. I'm describing real world facts. You have to address those facts not your prejudices about religion.
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Message 46 of 85 (804042)
04-06-2017 3:14 PM
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04-06-2017 3:12 PM


Re: Real world evidence
Your straw man is more pathetic than most. End of conversation.

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Message 50 of 85 (804048)
04-06-2017 3:55 PM
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04-06-2017 3:45 PM


Re: Real world evidence
This is a huge waste of time. Just deal with the evidence I've given. I've described the strata, answer the descdription. The description suggests a young earth. I have not referred to the Bible. Yes the bible is infallible, but it doesn't dictate the eviddnece. Deal with the evidence. Thanik you.

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Faith 
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Message 52 of 85 (804055)
04-06-2017 4:36 PM


Evidence please?
Only PaulK has addressed the evidence I've given at all, everybody else has engaged in one form of evasion or another. There is no point discussing all the extra-evidential comments and I'm sorry I've done that.
By which I mean Coyote's refusal to address the evidence I've given because his dating methods are enough for him'
Tangle's refusal to address the evidence because I get my inspiration from the Bible;
CatsEye's refusal to address the evidence because I've never taken a pickaxe to a rock;
and jar's refusal to address the evidence because he prefers to make unfounded accusations based on his prejudices about my beliefs.
But for anyone who might like to think about the evidence itself, here are four posts of mine about the evidence:
Message 10
Message 18
Message 20
Message 36
There are other briefer remarks on the evidence besides these.

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