The Nonsense of Revelation 13 Economics

As I pointed out in Message 24 above, the author of Revelation is very likely talking about the Roman Empire as it existed at that time.Under Tiberius, the Jews were relatively protected, the area was quasi independent under Herod and they were seen as a Protected Class. They were allowed their customs and prerogatives.Tiberius was followed by the short reign of Caligula and while we cannot be sure of some of the tales told about him, the fact is that after less than a four year reign he was assassinated.The next emperor was Claudius, and this is where it's likely the author of John draws his first beast. Claudius conquers most of the areas around the northern boundaries of the Med removing local rule and making them part of the Empire instead of allied States. While he reaffirmed Jewish rights throughout the Empire, he Conquered Judaea and removed its quasi independent status.Claudius was followed by Nero who is likely the Emperor in power at the time Revelation is written. Nero is the Emperor in power at the beginning of the first Jewish War, the Great Revolt.Nero is followed by a period of great unrest when emperor after emperor is overthrown, four emperors in just over one year.It was a period when it was easy to imagine the end of the world, that the END TIMES were upon them.And so the author of Revelation begins...

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1The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, 2who testifies to everything he sawthat is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ. 3Blessed is the one who reads the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

Of course I can. Don't be silly. The assertions was There is NOTHING in the passage he mentions about any imagined Global Monetary system or Christian being forbidden to get the Mark or about all global currencies failing.One, Two, Three strikes your out...

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16He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, 17so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.

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18This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666.

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Buz assertion is refuted. The MARK being a Monetary system is refuted.Revelation is over, done, talking about long, long ago. Your attempts at misdirecting the audience attention have failed yet again, just like almost all Biblical Prophecy.And of course I believe the Bible, I just don't believe nonsense interpretations and misrepresentation of what is said in the Bible.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

Only if you accept the late date or that the prophecies were not for the immediate period. Even if the later date is accepted everything in Revelation is still almost 2000 years in the past.In case you missed it...

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1The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, 2who testifies to everything he sawthat is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ. 3Blessed is the one who reads the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near.

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Remember an even more likely explanation is that Revelation is just all failed prophecy.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

Of course I can, even without knowing anything more than that it is supposed to be the name of the Beast.It is NOT a monetary system.You will not get far with silly assertions and con games. You can't palm the pea.Edited by jar, : appalin spallin

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

As I said, even with the late date it is still talking about stuff that happened nearly 2000 years ago. Which is still irrelevant and just shows that you have no understanding of the function of a Biblical Prophet.Prophecy is always immediate. The prophet is carrying a message from God to a people. It is a telegram, a dope slap, an immediate warning.It is not about things that will happen thousands of years in the future unless the God is an idiot and totally incompetent.For God to give the author of Revelation a message to write down for the use of people still in our future, is just stupid. It's a short list. I know of NO fulfilled Biblical Prophecy.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

An interesting epistle but does it have anything to do with the topic?

Except of course for the fact that there is no mention of money.

There is no problem there as long as it's clear that you are talking about YOUR fantasy and not the fantasy of John of Patmos who might also be a fantasy.

Back to the topic and thread. But the sub-forum is the Bible, Accuracy and Inerrancy and a thread about the economics as described in Revelation 13.Fantasies created externally to what is actually written may be interesting but have nothing to do with what is actually written in the fantasy known as The Book of Revelation.

Sure, you can have any fantasies you like but you cannot claim the book says anything but what the book says.

Bullshit. Sorry Charlie but that is simply another falsehood from you.Revelation refers to things that were supposed to have happened over a thousand years ago and is just yet another example of the many failed prophecies found in the Bible stories.What is described as an economic system in Revelation is utterly stupid and could never work. It is absurd and only a fool would consider it as anything but the rantings of someone totally ignorant of economics. The so called Mark does not even identify the purchaser or seller and so is worthless as anything except fantasy.

And in typical True Christian fashion you simply start making shit up instead of actually reading what was written. It always amazes me how True Christians always try to make up fantasies to make the Bible and the God they create and market fit their storyline and yet claim they believe in the Bible.

The preachers for the most part are not idiots. They are often very bright and understand that True Christians are taught to check their brains at the door, to believe source over content and that they are incapable of even reading and must have everything interpreted for them. The preachers know they have willing dupes that desire to be conned, that will believe things so obviously false (like the inerrant Bible) and so will buy any nonsense that the preachers market as testimony.

Sorry but that is simply another falsehood. Almost all examples of Biblical prophecy have failed. Biblical prophecy is simply a history of failure after failure spawning a business of apologists who get to make shit up for the willfully ignorant True Christians.Revelation is a classic example of apocalyptic literature that was supposed to have happened over a thousand years ago and is not just ancient history but false ancient history.

What you mean is the conmen ministers can make up explanations for the failures. Sorry but if you want to start yet another thread on the nonsense called Biblical prophecy feel free to do so as long as you stick to one prophecy at a time.Asserting absurdities like "No prophecy has ever failed" will not fly here.