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Message 1 of 59 (804071)
04-05-2017 11:37 PM


I think it would be a great topic of interest, to hear how evolutionists and creationists can explain the fantastic spinal column of chetahs, whereby it keeps their head steady and stationary as they run after their prey. This allowing them to visually have focused sight no matter what terrain they go over.
The two way debate, might give some unique insights as to the difference in explanations of evolutionists and creationists in all the various characteristics and unique traits and structures within the animal kingdom.
ATB
David

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Message 3 of 59 (804073)
04-06-2017 9:31 AM
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04-06-2017 12:40 AM


Re: Even domestic cats are notoriously flexible
No, Im talking about the head stabilization of cheetahs backbones that keeps their heads stabilized, so they can focus their eyesight on prey.
Amazing amazing so called adaptation or gift or multiple mutations, that work.
So the proposed topic is how did this so called special adaptation or gift happen, did their backbones evolve slowly or is there other explanations. Did their eyesight blurrs force it to select a better backbone, so they could catch more prey?
But that is not for us to discuss, it is a proposed NEW topic, that would be easy to elaborate on. The discussion surely also showing how evolutionists differ in their modes of explanation or non explanations. Very important in my opinion.
For even your points of other so called cheetah special unique adaptions or gifts or selected mutations, would make for a very informative discussion.

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Message 6 of 59 (804079)
04-07-2017 12:03 AM
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04-06-2017 11:41 PM


Re: Thread Copied from Proposed New Topics Forum
Thanks Adminnemooseeus, as your method for new threads seems to be that a OP should post in full their opening arguments, or a summation of what they intend to discuss, or ask so called biological evolutionists to explain.
So now the floor is open, and I invite all brave and educated biological evolutionists to explain how cheetahs got their amazing backbone adaptions or mutations, that magically allowed them to run faster.
But more specifically, how did their backbones flex and compensate
for their movement in chasing after its prey.
What stimulated these mutations or one magical mutation to stabilise their eyesight, so they could focus their eyes on their intended target at such highspeed.
Did the speed induce mutations
Did their eyesight, tell their brains to have mutations
Did their backbone nerves communicate to its DNA that fussiness was leading to fewer and fewer kills
Or were these mutations or mutation just at random and just luckily put together just in time before cheetahs extinction.
Experiences dont alter our DNA, from what I know, but if you know different, then do tell us. Sex cells are differentiated and stored in our testes and ovaries early in embriology development. So are you saying that all these adaptions and miraculous mutations all just happened by chance in our sex cells...... and just happened to give
cheetahs the right kind of backbones for speed, and better eyesight.
I mean the parallels and importance of this principle are massive. Every species has unique adaptions (or instincts or qualities or traits) that creationists understand, but you evolutionists who say you are the true scientists say these all came about by accident, hit and miss, million to one lucky mutations.
So I endeaver to hear your explanation of how cheetahs got their backbones and static vision even at high speed over rough terrain.
Your explanation can then spill over to all of animal kind, unless you have differtent unrelated methods of inducing mutations for different animals or kinds.
So do answer or give your opinion, without name calling and subjectivity .... and just objectively as true scientists searching for truths explain your theoretical ideas of how this adaption came about.
(I just use this example of cheetahs backbone, cause I was watching NatGEO on TV last night and they were discussing it, and showing video footage of how their head stays absolutely still during their running after prey.)
If you abstain from answering, I will assume you have never had to answer questions before on your faith in evolution and have never thought your biological evolution through. So thanks in advance in revealing your inner most thoughts in advance. Much appreciated
IHS
David

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The Lord created science and all things. Laws did not create themselves. Nothing happened by chance and accident.

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Davidjay 
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Message 13 of 59 (804138)
04-07-2017 10:32 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by jar
04-07-2017 9:39 AM


Re: Confirmation from 14174
Evolutionist get your biology together and study, use the internet for more than religious propaganda. And do write Natational Geographics and the TV producers about their supposed errant cheetah program on its amazing abilities or gifts strsaight from the Lord
14174 confirms that static head stabilization occured in different predators.
So the ability is there, so how did their backbones get this way..
mere lucky mutations that helped them see better and then catch more prey.
Surely their brains didnt mutate afterwards, or demand a mutation. Their experiences, success and failures before this lucky mutation couldnt do it because no experience mutates the testes and ovaries, its all a lucky mutation.... sometimes called a beneficial mutation that supposedly happens every billion mutatio or so.
So come on evolutionists, how did cheetahs get this amazing ability. Simply by a lucky mutation some time when the cheetahs were stalking their prey in the grass, thinking about better vision.
Just give your evolutionary reasoning. Simple question, what does your theory state.
Or just say you have no idea how this miracle happened and how this adaption or gift of clear sight happened.
Remember honesty is tyhe best policy, and is the only way anyone progresses

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Evolution is not science and is pure religion, forced upon the young to ensure their faith in luck and chance rather than mathematics and design.
The Lord created science and all things. Laws did not create themselves. Nothing happened by chance and accident.

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Message 17 of 59 (804156)
04-07-2017 12:00 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by Tangle
04-07-2017 10:40 AM


Did one M********** cause Cheetah backbones or 2 M's
Ok, evolutionists, come on admit your theory and be proud of it, without shirking away from an honest question. How did the cheetah get its amazing backbone...
Dont be afraid of your doctrine..
Your usual answer starts with M*******.
Counself together and someone step forward and say your all enpomassing word or cause or originater.
So when this m-word created this explosion in the cheetahs DNA, that worked out so well, was it proceeded by an earlier explosion or M-word, that made its backbone collapsible as the moderater stated.
Were they simultaneous explosions or M's in their gonads, or was it sequential. Meaning after they got up to speed the next M****** stabilized their eye sight.
First spell out your methodology without fear.
M ********
Then consider the one at a time M's or sequential M's probability, and how many years of lack of success if sequential did it take before the next M improved their eyesight sufficiently for them to avoid extinction for lack of M's
What gives all animals their instincts, traits, adaptions or GIFTS ?
Do answer brave evolutionists.
Many Thanks for your honesty.
IHS
David

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Evolution is not science and is pure religion, forced upon the young to ensure their faith in luck and chance rather than mathematics and design.
The Lord created science and all things. Laws did not create themselves. Nothing happened by chance and accident.

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Message 19 of 59 (804386)
04-09-2017 12:32 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by Tangle
04-07-2017 10:40 AM


So did chickens get this special mutation at the ame time as cheetahs, and then become chickens and cheetahs later in their evolutionary lives maybe a billion years later Or did this special mutation take place miraculously after they had differentiated in to chickens and cheetahs. Besdies I dont think chickens are predators, and I dont think they travel or rough ground at 80 miles per hour, you wouldnt be cheetah- ing on us with your illogical logic, would you.
Please tell us when and where these magical lucky mutations happened. Separe or simultaneous...both together or one in one eon of time and then they barely survive3d until they got the next lucky mutation.
Run evolutionary prey, run .... but I got my eyes on ya.... you can zig and zag, but I cotcha again......
Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.

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Evolution is not science and is pure religion, forced upon the young to ensure their faith in luck and chance rather than mathematics and design.
The Lord created science and all things. Laws did not create themselves. Nothing happened by chance and accident.

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Message 20 of 59 (804387)
04-09-2017 12:35 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by Dr Adequate
04-07-2017 1:34 PM


Re: Did one M********** cause Cheetah backbones or 2 M's
Theres the missing word, ..... Adequate .. your M ****** word is mutation, magic mutations tyhat just by luck change the DNA to make everything magically work...... you used it, you say lucky mutations that magically just appear within a million or billion of years and then the wand of magically selection beats out extinction, so that lucky cheetahs get clear vision via their miraculous lucky backbones, who earlier or simultaneously got collapsible backbones to make them amazingly fast.
But which came first the design of the backbones for speed, or the next magic mutation for clear vision via, the backbone adaptions..
Cant you guys answer, or do you await a brain mutation for you to do so. Remember supposed mutations can not be quided, or be directed in a vacuum, they according to your doctrine and biology happen sheerly by LUCK.
Although explosions and radiation and other horrible things can induce mutations. But I wouldnt call them lucky beneficial mutations. But take time off and wait for a brain mutation if you choose.
Us connected ones have things to do and places to go...
Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.

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Evolution is not science and is pure religion, forced upon the young to ensure their faith in luck and chance rather than mathematics and design.
The Lord created science and all things. Laws did not create themselves. Nothing happened by chance and accident.

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Message 22 of 59 (804547)
04-11-2017 1:24 AM
Reply to: Message 21 by Dr Adequate
04-09-2017 1:11 AM


Re: Did one M********** cause Cheetah backbones or 2 M's
No, un-adequate
Your on the hot seat, Explain when your magical MUTATIONS Happened, whether one at a time, or simultaneously wondrously at the same time ?
ANSWER
Dont you evolutionists ever consider the insanities you spew out. Why do you absolutely hate to answer questions., simple because you have NO ANSWERS, and you just repeat magic mutations did it, magic mutations did that too, and that...
MAGIC MUTATIONS is the biggest lie ever fostered on a dumb people, and they deserve it because they were so dumb and intimidated by such dumb arrogant people.

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Message 23 of 59 (804548)
04-11-2017 1:27 AM
Reply to: Message 22 by Davidjay
04-11-2017 1:24 AM


Re: Did one MUTATION cause Cheetah backbones or 2 M's
Ill count to hundred, or lets give you one day, and then if you cant answer, again we shall claim victory for the Lord.
The Lord created cheetahs backbones, speed and sight, together at once.
As well s all its other attributes, not over ages and eons but at one instance in time.
One day, and victory agin will go to the Lord of Creation, and Mutations will lose again.
24 hours , one day ... begin now

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Message 33 of 59 (805148)
04-16-2017 10:13 AM
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04-16-2017 9:56 AM


Re: Smilodon :-)
2348 BC for the Great World Wide Flood.....
Noah did not take dinosaurs and many of the extinct animals that died in the Flood.
For details SEE
NoahsArkandtheWorldwideFlood
As Jesus verfied Noah and the ARK
JesusconfirmedNoahandtheFlood
Jesus never lied about anything nor was wrong about anything, including TRUE HISTORY

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Message 39 of 59 (805553)
04-19-2017 9:05 AM
Reply to: Message 38 by ringo
04-18-2017 12:59 PM


Re: Dinosaurs
Yea, one verse just wasnt long enough to use as a total inventory, but the ship was 450 feet long and about five stories high.... so lots of room for the fleshly animals.
But yea, the dinosaurs died in the Flood...as dinosaurs roamed with humans before the flood as evidenced by human footprints alongside of dinosaur ones in the fossil record... and Yes a few dinosaur like leviathon animals or dinosaurs or Lochness monsters did survive in the waters of the flood.
We saw one, HERE in Canada.
But NO, dinosaurs were not hit in the head, by asteriods as evolutionists teach, nor did they have bad luck in the gene mutations, nor did their water sources dry up... in a slow slow environmental change.
Yes, they died in the Flood.

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Message 40 of 59 (805554)
04-19-2017 9:13 AM


Multiple Mutations at ONE TIME ????
Chetahs have numerous backbone adaptions, mutations or gifts created by their Creator which enables them to run fast and focus on their prey and take them down, for their food.
So lets get back on topic.
Evolutionists say a mutation changes an animal in this case, a chetah, one step at a time rather than a whole bunch of them having their lucky mutations all happen at once. I agree, if their was such a thing as a magic beneficial mutation, it could surely only happen one at a time..... in a miraculous conception. But then it means the chettah would have to wait eons for the next magic mutation to enable its eyesight mutation to just happen along by chance. Now thats pushing it, but thats what I think the rather fearful and ashamed evolutionists believe.
Multiple magic mutations, the 3M's all at once, in thier minds must have created a new cat different than the lion in multiple ways, that all combined at one time made them fast and FURIOUS.
Sorry evolutionists, your theory again makes no sense, whether one mutation at a time or multiple mutations eon after eon.
In the HERE and NOW, no saen person should buy your product or word play.
IMO
David
Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Message 43 of 59 (805563)
04-19-2017 9:37 AM
Reply to: Message 41 by vimesey
04-19-2017 9:15 AM


Re: Loch Ness Dinosaurs
We saw what we saw.... its called Okkie HERE, as these ones are in the Okanogan Lake System.
But let me comment on your strange ' signature ' as it is significant in its displaying your mindset of not knowing and not caring to know... You write ..... Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?' End of your signature
Your nobody knows mantra is what evolutionists teach each other, we dont know, so lets guess and Ill theorise on top of your theory and then well force it on other theorists, so nobody knows nothing.
No, we can know the facts of life, and science and math, and how everything fits together.
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It is the glory of God to conceal a matter, but the honor of kings to find them out..
So YES, some things are slightly hidden, but it is to your HONOR if you take the time to find them out. Dont be lazy and lethargic and negative. Get busy and find some truths, and add precept to precept, until you start to SEE.
Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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