Waiting on the End Times

The Armageddon watch involves a knowledge of all the end time prophecies and a working knowledge of major historic events. The reason deluded folks come up with all these bogus interpretations and ideas is that they think you can go to this smorgasboard of prophetic stuff in the Bible and make their own prophetic salad to suit their palate/taste. Then too, you don't pick this text or that text and determine a conclusion on the lone text. Only after you do lots of homework and acquire an academic overview of the whole enchalada will you come up with the correct mix.There are a number of events which determine when the real last days are to come into focus before one can expect Armageddon. They are not all in place yet, so I can quite safely guarantee Armageddon will not be this year or next. Nor will the return of Jesus or what is known as the rapture or gathering up of the Christians by the angels to meet Jesus in the clouds. The majority of evangelical Christians would not agree with me on this, as they believe this rapture is imminent/can occur any time. I have offered $1000 to some ministers and prophecy teachers as well as some Christian friends who teach and believe this popular idea of imminency, but so far have no takers. I will not offer a reward on line because of security reasons, but would welcome a debate with any Christian who would like to debate this on line.The following are a list of events that MUST occur subsequent to the generation of Jesus before Armageddon:
1. Gentile occupation of the land known as Palestine
2. Nation of Israel reinstated. (fulfilled in 1948)
3. Gentile occupation of Jerusalem ended. (fulfilled 1967)
4. Global warming
5. Gospel preached world wide to all nations.
6. Ability to see things remotely around the world from one spot (TV)
7. Global monetary system based on numbers and marks rather than gold and silver.
8. Increasing emergence of cloudiness and violent weather patterns.
9. World travel
10 The ability to destroy a significant city within the timeframe of one hour. (see item 14)
ll. Darkening by one third of the sun and moon, causing the moon to appear as blood red. (I believe this will be effected by super drought conditions world wide to the degree that much evaporation will ensue. There is a statement in Revelation about the wind not blowing for a space of time also. This could be a major factor in effecting drought. It is my belief that a the world will again become to be in a terrarium like canopy state as I believe it was before the flood.
l2. Emergence of Russia, northern Europe allied with the Arab block as the pre-eminent invaders of Armageddon. This means the US must diminish in influence and power before Armageddon. (See Ezekiel 38,39)
13. A religious dominant power which is globally powerful enough to force worship before a speaking image to the majority of the planet's citizens with the consequence of disobedience as beheading. This I believe to be Islam and the speaking image 2 way TV with spot checks for praying five times daily as is now required in many nations, but not yet enforced via electonic media. See Revelation 13.
14. Vatican City demolished/burnt to the ground in the space of one hour. (See Revelation 17 and 18.
15. Gradual increase in all kinds of disasters, both man made and natural.
16. Gradual increase in the size of hail to eventually reach one hundred lb hailstones by the time of Armageddon. Rev 16 (near end of chapter)
17. Dramatic increase of knowledge.
18. Homosexual revolution.
19. Shabily dressed women in Israel (indicative of women in general). We older folks know more about that as we know how this has changed dramatically over the last 70 years, the big change beginning in the hippy 60's. See Isaiah 3
20 World wide drought and men scorched with heat.
21. World wide economic depression.
22. Global moral decay.
23. Global holocaust of Christians (Already happening in some parts such as Sudan and as have already happened in Europe and Russia via Bolshevik Revolution, etc. Global increase of hatred toward Christ/Christians/Christianity/Bible.
24. Departure (apostacy) of many Christians who defect the religion and rise of antichrist/prominen religious person able to deceive by miracle and who hates Christians/Christianity.
25. Signs in the sun and in the sky.
26. A continental coastal break off of mountain/mountains which causes such a tidal disaster as to destroy a third of the ships in that ocean. (Or possibly a meteor)
27. Something happens weather wise to effect a millenial change in weather to the point that eventually the reaper will be able to overtake the sower and men will begin to live much longer lives again.
28. Two prominent men of God whom the world hates will be able to effect world drought to the degree that the whole world rejoices and sees their bodies lie in Jerusalem after they are finally killed.
29. The relatively few Christians still alive will indeed be raptured
eventually after what is called the tribulation and after the darkening of the sun and moon and before the seven bowls of God's wrath are poured upon rebellious earth. See Mark 13:24-28.After the seven bowls of wrath (see Revelation 16), finally we have the return of Jesus with his saints to earth to rule an reign for a millenium. This 2nd advent to earth is when Armageddon ensues, so folks it's not here yet, nor will it be here until the [i]unfinished business[i] is complete on earth. Brace yourselves. The waves are gona get rougher as we go from here, for THE END TIMES ARE UPON PLANET EARTH AND HAVE BEEN FOR NEARLY A CENTURY already, beginning with the Bolshevik revolution/tribulation (which btw, is not for only 7 years).

You could have saved us all a lot of time by not asking for our opinion in the first place.

In your opening post you complain about creos who set dates etc. I'm not doing that. You ask when Armageddon. It's not that simple. My answer is the complete answer. The disciples asked Jesus when the end of the age, which by the way ends with Armageddon and the return of Jesus which they also queried him about. So my answer begins with that generation and I itemize a fairly sequencial list of events which must occur before Armageddon, so as to not make the mistake of others who say this or that will bring Armageddon. It isn't this or that, but a whole list of events which must be used as a guideline in understanding when the time is imminent. I've given them for what they're worth. Take a good look at the last items including the darkening of the sun and moon, the bowls of wrath, the rapture of the Christians, the emergence of the Russia/Arab dominating invading armies for the event. THEN AND ONLY THEN DO YOU LOOK FOR ARMAGEDDON. Get it? That's my opinion as to when Armageddon. Next?...............[This message has been edited by buzsaw, 01-24-2004]

Vatican, location of second coming?? Say what?? Who said this??If you're alluding to something I said, take another look. Vatican City extinguished from the face of the earth/eliminated/caput before Armageddon. This changes the religio-political world picture overnight. This leaves Islam virtually unapposed and in the driver's seat and this along with the military support of the Russian block emboldens this alliance to become predominant on the world scene for Armageddon as prophesied in Ezekiel 38,39, for it is these nations who are the key players in the Armageddon invasion of Israel.Two suitcase nuke bombs can change this world overnight for emergence of Armageddon forces. 1. A suitcase bomb in Washington DC. 2. Same in Vatican City. Will it happen? God forbid, especially in our beloved capitol, but as I understand the prophecies, the Islamics will emerge as victors in this pseudo war we have declared because........because our side does not recognize that it is the prophet Muhammed and his book that is the fundamentalist threat and that these who we call the "extremist fundamentalists" of Islam are Islam as it was intended and that Mohammed declared it MUST DOMINATE THE WORLD VIA JIHAD. WE HAVE NOT YET, NOR WILL WE EVER ADEQUATELY IDENTIFY THE ENEMY IN THIS WAR. THIS GUARANTEES DEFEAT. We are simply going into Afganistan and Iraq, dismanteling one Islamic regime and installing another..........NOTAGONAWORK!.

Hi Doc. It's not specifically in Revelation. The apostle Paul gets the credit for this one. He was something of a prophet himself. See Romans chapter one, beginning with about verse 18, speaking of the time of God's wrath which comes in the "end times." Begin reading and when you get to verse 26, take notice: 1. Women change from natural to that against nature. 2. Men also leave "natural use of he woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly " {un-natural)...........Sodomy/homosexuality TICK THE ALMIGHTY OFF, BIG TIME. Remember Sodom and Gomorrah? Remember what happened to the tribe of Benjamin? Remember the global flood? There's indications that this sin is the "final straw," often with God. Why? Because when the family unit breaks up God must intervene with judgement to save humanity and the world.

Oh yes, Doc, forgot.....about global warming. Two Reveletation references:1. Revelation 11 where it is given these two men to cause it not to rain upon earth for three and a half years as they see fit. This implies heat.2. Revelation 16:8 "And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given to him to scorch men with fire. And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which has power over these plagues; and they repented not to give him glory."There are other implications in the Bible as well.

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The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buz

Wow Mac!! This was done a spell ago. I forgot that post myself. You're an angel/messenger from the Lord to bring this forth. This goes to show, there's more readers out there looking on these debates than we all realize! Thanks, Mac!

Hi LM. Note the common demoninator of these with the site Mac brought up of mine. Common denominator: Earthquakes. Notice the differences though. Gordon-Michael Scallion has the oceans overflowing the land. The Biblical implication I get is the reverse: The land prevails, with the ocean waters evaporating into the atmosphere and stratosphere. This evaporation of the ocean waters precipitates the earthquakes and causes them, the weight of the water being lifted and the thin underocean earth crusts warping back up to relatively level the surface of the earth, restoring the likely topography of planet earth to what it was before the flood with the super climate and all.

.........And with all due respect, Ned, it has been pointed out to you before that your idea of what is wrong might be wrong. Therefore, the Biblical prophecies may be right.Global warming, coupled with lack of prevailing winds, as also predicted in the Bible may debunk present scientific understanding of the effects of global warming, for without adequate prevailing wind patterns, inadequate rain ensues. The planet's wizzards have yet to experience what is emerging upon earth, as foretold by the Biblical prophets of old.

........And how many times have you people soundly debunked this? A big fat zero. Get use to it. The climatic trend is with the Bible. Neither global warming or increased climatic change is going away or diminishing. You yunguns haven't eye witnessed the change over the last 68 years as I have. Global disastrous weather phenomena has escalated manyfold over these three scores plus of years. To you yute, it's just gradual enough so as to give you the false idea that it's the norm. The secularistic media and academia certainly is not going to apprise you of anything to support the Bible, is it?

You know, Paul, I once thought you were quite intelligent, but now I wonder. I guess it's not that you're not intelligent, but not wise in judgement. Take off your bias cap and put on your thinking cap before reading. Then reread. Notice that it says "God gave them up to vile affections." Whose affections? Theirs, not Gods. "God will not always strive with man" says the Bible. He strives so long with mankind's stupidity and finally gives them up to THEIR OWN VILE AFFECTIONS." Why? Because they're free agents with a free will, not robots. He doesn't force anybody to do what's right. There comes a time when he gives up on persuasion and lets them go to "hell in a handbasked" as they are intent and bent upon doing, in spite of all he does to disuade them by the repeated warnings his preachers preach. How are these preachers treated? With disdain and ridicule, as you all know. What else do you want God to do? Force you against your own will? Certainly not. Wise up, man!!

I was born in the Northern edge of the dust bowl in the 30's, so, unlike you, I remember it as an eye witness. There's always been weather problems and earthquakes here and there. I'm talking frequency. The various catastrophic stuff is more varied, devastating and rapid fire in frequency. The ozone effect, smog effect, radiation, etc. Are you aware of the extent Chernoble alone had on nearly the whole planet, and particularly those nations down the prevailing winds? A little change in average temps goes a long ways and we ain't seen nuttin yet. Hey, don't get sore. At least I'm upbeat about the not too distant future.

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The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buz

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It has been documented already in this thread that the Bible foretold global warming. Care to refute these? LOL on those other yonder arguments as well.