Atheism Cannot Rationally Explain Morals.

It's quite simple: "Science" says blind, meaningless evolution mindlessly produced millions of biological machines - from teeny weeny little bugs to human beings. So, the only difference between a bug machine and a human being machine is the degree of complexity in the arrangement of their respective atoms. One bunch of arranged atoms is no more important than any other bunch of arranged atoms and no biological machine is any more important than any other biological machine. All life is meaningless and meaninglessly produced, so one form of life has no more meaning or worth than any other form of life. Therefore a human being - a meaningless machine - has no more worth or meaning than a bug - another meaningless machine.

The morals of societies are formed from the morality of individuals. If enough people share the same moral stance on something, then collectively they might have the power to impose their version of morality on the rest of your society, despite opposition from other members of that society.The morality of some non-democratic societies are formed by the morality of a few or even one individual. If you lived in Hitler's society, for example, it would be legal (morally acceptable) to murder a Jew. If you live in ISIS society it is legal (morally acceptable) to murder an infidel or a homosexual. In Hindu society, killing a cow and earing it will likely get you lynched by an enraged mob.In other words, morality varies from person to person, from culture to culture and from time to time. So, in effect, morality can be whatever you want it to be, whether it be on an individual basis or societal basis.

Yawn.Sorry but worth and value constructs created and determined by thinking individuals and often collated by communities of such thinking individuals.In the case of humans the worth or value of something is determined and determined under a variety of different systems.Yes, there are societies whose morality does consider any living thing to have equal value. A great example can be found in several Buddhist sects where they sweep the ground before them as they walk to try to make sure no living thing gets stepped on.On the other hand, the Judaic based religions, Islam, Judaism and Christianity place a far lower value on life.Morality, worth, value are all simply subjective constructs with little or no objective reality.

My point is, an atheist who believes that evolution is a scientific fact cannot argue that a human life is worth more than a life of a bug - because to do so is to contradcit the very science he holds to be true.Such an atheist must also accept that since life is the product of a blind, meaningless process, life itself is meaningless. So he cannot argue that his life has meaning because to do so is to contradict the very science he holds to be true.

Yes he can. Obviously. No it doesn't. Obviously. Which is why you can't argue for this. Atheists are not obliged to commit the genetic fallacy.Imagine if you turned the same crazy illogic on your own beliefs. "A creationist must also accept that since humans are the product of an omnipotent invisible sinless being, humans are themselves omnipotent, invisible, and sinless. So he cannot argue that humans are visible because to do so is to contradict the very religion he holds to be true."Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

This seems to be obviously false, so you're going to need to argue for it rather than asserting it. There seems to be no more basis for you to assert that all collections of atoms are equally important than there is for you to assert that they are equally heavy, or equally hot.

That is not a point, it is a falsehood. It is an unsupported assertion you make but that's about it.Morality is a human (and other animals) construct and has nothing to do with either the fact of evolution or the Theory of Evolution. Sorry but that is simply a stupid statement.

I wonder if Dredge is willing to swap a pound of the arranged atoms that we call "Gold" for a pound of the arranged atoms that we call "manure"?

Tell me, is this also true of a Christian who believes that evolution is a scientific fact? And again, it this also true of hundreds of millions of Christians?

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It's quite simple: "Science" says blind, meaningless evolution mindlessly produced millions of biological machines - from teeny weeny little bugs to human beings. So, the only difference between a bug machine and a human being machine is the degree of complexity in the arrangement of their respective atoms.

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The science doesn't say that, in fact a branch of science (taxonomy) does quite a lot of categorising other differences. If you are unable to perceive any difference except the "degree of complexity in the arrangement of their various atoms" then I think you have a rather serious problem.

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One bunch of arranged atoms is no more important than any other bunch of arranged atoms and no biological machine is any more important than any other biological machine

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Science really isn't about evaluating "importance" in that sense, so it really has nothing to say on the matter.

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All life is meaningless and meaninglessly produced, so one form of life has no more meaning or worth than any other form of life. Therefore a human being - a meaningless machine - has no more worth or meaning than a bug - another meaningless machine.

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That's your opinion, which ignores a whole lot of possible meaning. You can't expect others to agree with you on that.

Dio, listen to your double speak, wake upInnate Behavior
Behaviors that are closely controlled by genes with little or no environmental influence are called innate behaviors. These are behaviors that occur naturally in all members of a species whenever they are exposed to a certain stimulus. Innate behaviors do not have to be learned or practiced. They are also called instinctive behaviors. An instinct is the ability of an animal to perform a behavior the first time it is exposed to the proper stimulus. For example, a dog will drool the first timeand every timeit is exposed to food.
(End of your ridiculous double speak)I repeat, I repeat.... all traits were given by the Creator at one moment in time they did not evolve. Innate Behaviour as your new contrived terminology, is not something that appeared magically and via mutations somewhere in your mysterious past.Its straight from the Lord..... stop trying to worship Nature, and mutations as your double speak God, as if these behaviours mutated OR were just there magically in the BEGINNING.You evolutionists are absolutely desperate.Nothing, and no species mutates behaviour, it was either there in the BEGINNING as CREATED by the LORD or it isnt there. No learned behaviour ever gets into our DNA. You are absolute liars to suggest otherwise. Learn some genetics and get a life.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

We are familiar with your absurd dogma, there is no need for you to repeat it.There is a crying need for you to find some evidence for it, but I'm not holding my breath.Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

You love your words salads.I'm still intrigued to find out whether you see those millions of Christians who accept the findings of science as atheists?Davidjay, do you believe that the Pope is an atheist?Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.

Yeah, they're out already down here at ~38.7 N latitude. I see pics from friends and they're finding them.But nobody will tell each other where they're at! I just don't have the time to do the hunting, and I've never found more than a couple so it feels like it'd be a waste.Although, one friend did find about 70 of them and that was an impressive looking haul.

*sips coffee*. Ok, I am good. No he did not and yes it did. Don't worship them. Just acknowledge they exist and the mechanism that caused them to evolve. I actually feel pretty relaxed. You on the other hand are starting to sound like the guy on the corner with the 'End is Near!' sign. Incorrect. (See previous post and details) Incorrect. (See previous post and details) We are presenting evidence and data. No lying needed. Facts are just facts. Your need to label us as 'liars' is actually just a vain attempt to divert attention from your own massive insecurity. Took a semester of biological genetics in university. Have you?Regarding getting a life, I kind of like the one I have. It is quite pleasant and enjoyable. And thanks to the wonders of the internet and individuals like yourself, it is filled with copious amounts of free comedy that make me laugh and snicker at the sheer absurdity of the ill-informed.