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NoNukes Inactive Member |
The investigation of the historic record will, among other things, lead to details about who exactly lobbied for the legislature to make the public policy. The topic is Trump, and in particular whether Trump is susceptible to bribing/lobbying. Why wouldn't I have been talking about that? Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2418 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
You said we would have trouble knowing, right?
Honestly, special interests run wild, and a disaster is what causes certain ones to get noticed. You asked Marc how on earth he would possibly know just what is going on. Nobody makes much of an issue with what always goes on (albeit in dark) - or I should say that the larger public fails to - until something so bad happens that we are forced to notice WHO exactly pushed for the specific law changes to affect the general outcome. That would include the role the special interests had in their dealings with the POTUS. Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
You said we would have trouble knowing, right? Marc9000 said that Trump was unlikely to take money from special interests because he had donated a few 100Gs grand in salary. I suggested that we would have trouble knowing Trump's tendencies. The reason is because we don't know what Trump's financial interests are. Of course, when you don't follow the discussion, everything is an invitation for a nonsequitur. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
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ThinAirDesigns Member (Idle past 2399 days) Posts: 564 Joined: |
Trump is great he is doing everything he said he would. Well, today was anpther banner day for NOT doing what he said he would do. Just look at his U-turns on NATO, China, Russia and Syria. JB
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 310 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Trump is great he is doing everything he said he would. "On day one of a Trump administration, the US Treasury Department will designate China a currency manipulator." --- Donald J. Trump, op-ed in Wall St. Journal, Nov. 9, 2015.
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14174dm Member (Idle past 1135 days) Posts: 161 From: Cincinnati OH Joined: |
From a Vox - Understand the News on the Wall Street Journal interview (behind pay wall).
Trump on North Korea: After listening for 10 minutes, I realized it’s not so easy - Vox After listening for 10 minutes, I realized it’s not so easy, the president told the Journal. I felt pretty strongly that they had a tremendous power [over] North Korea. ... But it’s not what you would think. Even I knew that China is afraid of a collapsing North Korea with hordes of malnourished, under-educated Koreans flooding across their land border. That China and the Il-sung family have conflict of the nature of socialism/communism. How can he go into such an important meeting so ignorant? That he showed his ignorance to his rival is appalling. Did he go into real estate deals so badly informed?
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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After listening for 10 minutes, I realized it’s not so easy, the president told the Journal. I felt pretty strongly that they had a tremendous power [over] North Korea. Ouch. Who has been briefing this man? First, he is surprised that national healthcare is difficult. Now he is grasping, apparently for the first time, that North Korea is a sovereign nation with priorities different than China's? Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
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ramoss Member (Idle past 638 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
One thing that I find amusing it according the rules, the president and vice president are audited by the IRS, 100% chance.
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Back in Message 687 and Message 689 we commented on how utterly sophomoric and stupid the Trump lawyers' arguments on why Trump should not be sued for inciting violence but it seems there is no limit to their stupidity.
The latest iteration of play ground bully tactics and despotic behavior is their claim that Trump is immune to being sued because he won the election. It's fine if his Brown Shirts beat up a few people because he is now the Fuhrer.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2418 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2
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I scanned over my past posts and was shocked to see that I did not comment on his fallacious and often repeated campaign blather that China supposedly undervalues it's currency. Every informed person has long feared that Chinese currency is not only propped up but could ( in a nightmare scenario ) actually loose half its value - among all the various possibilities.
Barron's April 17 2017 has an article on the large flip flops of the previous week.
quote: An absolute idiot. He seems to want to risk our ability to get loans at super low interest rates, which is the best thing going for our treasury, but he seems oblivious to the issue of the amazingly low interest payments we get away with for such a massive ( 20 trillion bucks worth of) national debt. He seems to want a 20% BAT added to the price of all imports PLUS a weaker dollar to boot. I wonder if he thinks this kind of race to the bottom will really not collapse the entire world economy and cost us all kinds of jobs (export related jobs especially ) and an unheard of deficit explosion . A trade war is the cheapest old school pile of proven destruction that nobody should be so crappy to even think about doing ( much less actually DOING) . He feels that building a (trade)wall will eventually bring back so many jobs that he can just ignore an exploding debt and currency crash. He imagines a new domestic economic order where we isolate ourselves from the world and enjoy low unemployment and adequate purchasing power despite a ruined currency. If he gets his way then get ready for a dangerous ride home while we crash and burn along the way (yes he thinks we will still make it to the destination - have our car and life while our guts and bolts are scattered along the highway miles from home ) Historians will look back and ask just how many years of misery he expected to be able to sustain before the ( trade war induced ) jobs magically appeared after he magically invoked his manipulation to bring back the old industry he fondly imagines will bring America to some sort of fairy tale la la dreamland or whatever sort of warped fantasy he ponders. This guy reminds me of Pinky and the Brain. "Pinky, are you pondering what I am pondering? " "I think so brain, but this time you wear the pink bib" "NO PINKY! We take over the world! " Trump has proven "animaniac" level knowledge of the world he wants to reform. Steve Bannon gave a speech to CPAC and it was loony toons crazy. I suggest people read the transcript. He literally talks about a creative destruction of the economy. Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.
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JonF Member (Idle past 194 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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You give him a lot more credit than I do. He is just stupid. He has no idea what effect a trade war and/or BAT might have. He hasn't thought of any effects, bad or good.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 310 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Trump is great he is doing everything he said he would. Here is what Trump said he'd do in his first hundred days. Attention Required! | Cloudflare
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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Trump does not appear to have a policy, but he does seem to be doing a pretty good job of blundering about.
Last week he made statements to the effect that he had learned from China that the Korean peninsula used to be a part of China. Between that and his misstatements regarding the USS Carl Vincent heading to the area when the carrier was actually heading in the opposite direction, Trump has managed to put America first in comedy.
quote: I would prefer that Trump actually do something funny and harmless like other presidents have done, like throwing up on the Japanese Prime Minister's shoes. Blunders of this nature are somewhat unsettling. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2418 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Here in New York City, I get briefings from lots of conspiracy theorists friends on war issues. One ( who is no longer on speaking terms because we got into heated fights over his anti Semitic theories ) kept telling me about all the "evil Ashkenazi Jews " that were pushing war, and he would constantly show me rosters and names. The ironic thing is that he came to see the generals as the dangerous warmongers and Kushner as a voice of reason and anti-war. I got lots of briefings on his research.
I got the impression that he found Trump as more sane than the generals. The generals are crazy enough for sure. South Korea is about to elect a liberal who opposes the anti missile interception installation so hopefully this whole thing calms down from our side. The South Koreans have millions of skins in the game and hopefully their voices are heard and afforded due weight.
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marc9000 Member Posts: 1522 From: Ky U.S. Joined: Member Rating: 1.3 |
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quote: quote: I heard a lot about all the hissing and booing going on when Ivanka was speaking publicly during her overseas visit. As the news media played the video clip a few days ago, I wasn't hearing it, but figured that I just had my volume too low or something. But no, now I find out it was just another U.S. News media lie. After listening again, it now sounds to me like the crowd was murmuring in agreement with what she was saying. How many people were again mis-lead by the lying U.S. news media? And how many more people WOKE UP to the truth about the U.S. news media?
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