Waiting on the End Times

apostolosI do believe you have a contradiction to clarify here. No human being can ever know. I assume you are a human. Therefore you cannot ever know.Is that not the equivalent of "I don't know" which you say you are not saying?Clarify the muddy waters please.

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'Everyone is entitled to his own opinion but not his own facts.'
(Daniel Patrick Moynihan)

I see the potential confusion here. I should have inserted a word like "simply" in my statement so it would have read like this:
I am not simply saying "I don't know.My point was that know person can know. I stated it thus in an attempt to remove the focus from whether an individual is perceptive enough to discern "the end". And my point remains as previously stated: God alone knows and Him only. Please refer to post #30 for my full statement.sidelined - I have edited my post for clarity.Russ

In your opening post you complain about creos who set dates etc. I'm not doing that. You ask when Armageddon. It's not that simple. My answer is the complete answer. The disciples asked Jesus when the end of the age, which by the way ends with Armageddon and the return of Jesus which they also queried him about. So my answer begins with that generation and I itemize a fairly sequencial list of events which must occur before Armageddon, so as to not make the mistake of others who say this or that will bring Armageddon. It isn't this or that, but a whole list of events which must be used as a guideline in understanding when the time is imminent. I've given them for what they're worth. Take a good look at the last items including the darkening of the sun and moon, the bowls of wrath, the rapture of the Christians, the emergence of the Russia/Arab dominating invading armies for the event. THEN AND ONLY THEN DO YOU LOOK FOR ARMAGEDDON. Get it? That's my opinion as to when Armageddon. Next?...............[This message has been edited by buzsaw, 01-24-2004]

This delay was not a slight. Honest. I came down with that flu everybody's had. It won.My only comments as to your challenge to others, is to be prepared maybe. The concept of the Vatican being the location for the second coming does have a tiny hole in it. Not big but be prepared.I'm anxious to see what the evo's come up with against it.

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Azure Moon
Free-Thinkers: Those who, abandoning the religious truths and moral dictates of the Christian Revelation, and accepting no dogmatic teaching on the ground of authority, base their beliefs on the unfettered findings of reason alone. Catholic Encyclopedia.

You end timers just won't leave Russia alone, will you.Has anyone asked the members of the Duma or Putin whether they give two hoots in Hell about Israel? Russia exports oil. They certainly don't need to get tangled up with the camel jockies and all their oil fights.Throughout the Cold War, Russia consistently backed the losing side. I think they learned something from that. DO you see hordes of Russian troops pouring into Iraq to gain a foothold for the Iraq-without-US troops era? Wouldn't it make political sense to establish a presence? Saddle up to the US and take over "peace keeping" duties and let the US troops go home?Or is it because most Arab nations hate Russia's guts and will have little to do with them, unless it's to make a buck (or ruble). After all, the Russians are just as "infidel" as the U.S. is.(:raig

Hey Buzz!I was curious as I have not made it to revelations yet in the bible where the homosexual revolution is mentioned?Also global warming. I've never heard anyone mention these before.Thanks!

Hey, Doc! Prepare to be dazzled. Buz holds forth on global warming here:http://EvC Forum: Noah's Flood Came Down. It's Goin Back Up!! -->EvC Forum: Noah's Flood Came Down. It's Goin Back Up!!Enjoy!--Macavity

Hi Buzz,Finally getting back from round with flu from hades!About the slight hole and the fix for the Vatican/temple theory... tell me what you want me to do with it please. Public post it, private post it, forget it... Just let me know. I haven't been in here long enough to know what the 'protocol' would be.

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Azure Moon
Free-Thinkers: Those who, abandoning the religious truths and moral dictates of the Christian Revelation, and accepting no dogmatic teaching on the ground of authority, base their beliefs on the unfettered findings of reason alone. Catholic Encyclopedia.

the world will end during 2015 or 2016 due to war and continental plate shifts causing massive earthquakes. how's that??i'm not a creationist.
i'm not an evolutionist.
i'm just the crazy guy saying the crazy stuff.[This message has been edited by Nexus, 01-31-2004]

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the world will end during 2015 or 2016 due to war and continental plate shifts causing massive earthquakes. how's that??
i'm not a creationist.
i'm not an evolutionist.
i'm just the crazy guy saying the crazy stuff.

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I would say you aren't alone. Sounds a lot like the prophecies of Gordon-Michael Scallion. You might want to do a search for his stuff. Just from what I remember from a recent History Channel documentary, he envisions massive earthquakes as well as oceans covering about a third of the current land mass. You have to love the Hist Chann, entertaining stuff.

Vatican, location of second coming?? Say what?? Who said this??If you're alluding to something I said, take another look. Vatican City extinguished from the face of the earth/eliminated/caput before Armageddon. This changes the religio-political world picture overnight. This leaves Islam virtually unapposed and in the driver's seat and this along with the military support of the Russian block emboldens this alliance to become predominant on the world scene for Armageddon as prophesied in Ezekiel 38,39, for it is these nations who are the key players in the Armageddon invasion of Israel.Two suitcase nuke bombs can change this world overnight for emergence of Armageddon forces. 1. A suitcase bomb in Washington DC. 2. Same in Vatican City. Will it happen? God forbid, especially in our beloved capitol, but as I understand the prophecies, the Islamics will emerge as victors in this pseudo war we have declared because........because our side does not recognize that it is the prophet Muhammed and his book that is the fundamentalist threat and that these who we call the "extremist fundamentalists" of Islam are Islam as it was intended and that Mohammed declared it MUST DOMINATE THE WORLD VIA JIHAD. WE HAVE NOT YET, NOR WILL WE EVER ADEQUATELY IDENTIFY THE ENEMY IN THIS WAR. THIS GUARANTEES DEFEAT. We are simply going into Afganistan and Iraq, dismanteling one Islamic regime and installing another..........NOTAGONAWORK!.

Hi Doc. It's not specifically in Revelation. The apostle Paul gets the credit for this one. He was something of a prophet himself. See Romans chapter one, beginning with about verse 18, speaking of the time of God's wrath which comes in the "end times." Begin reading and when you get to verse 26, take notice: 1. Women change from natural to that against nature. 2. Men also leave "natural use of he woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly " {un-natural)...........Sodomy/homosexuality TICK THE ALMIGHTY OFF, BIG TIME. Remember Sodom and Gomorrah? Remember what happened to the tribe of Benjamin? Remember the global flood? There's indications that this sin is the "final straw," often with God. Why? Because when the family unit breaks up God must intervene with judgement to save humanity and the world.

Oh yes, Doc, forgot.....about global warming. Two Reveletation references:1. Revelation 11 where it is given these two men to cause it not to rain upon earth for three and a half years as they see fit. This implies heat.2. Revelation 16:8 "And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given to him to scorch men with fire. And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which has power over these plagues; and they repented not to give him glory."There are other implications in the Bible as well.

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The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buz

actually mine was from nostradamus. funny how 2 different prophets see the same thing.
i am very much against the ideas of fate, but every day i slowly see more and more.

Wow Mac!! This was done a spell ago. I forgot that post myself. You're an angel/messenger from the Lord to bring this forth. This goes to show, there's more readers out there looking on these debates than we all realize! Thanks, Mac!