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Author Topic:   Evidence for Evolution: Whale evolution
Dredge
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Message 414 of 443 (805331)
04-17-2017 8:49 PM
Reply to: Message 411 by Dr Adequate
04-16-2017 10:15 PM


You accuse me of being "antiscientific", so please explain how the changes observed in bacteria can be used as evidence that whales evolved from a deer-like animal.

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Message 417 of 443 (805514)
04-19-2017 2:33 AM
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04-18-2017 7:01 AM


Pressie: "Changes in the inherited characteristics of populations occur frequently."
Going from observing small differences to claiming that the massive changes alleged in whale evolution is quite an extrapolation. How can you be certain that small observed changes mean unlimited change is possible? My nephew grew an inch taller in the last twelve months - does this mean he will grow one inch taller every year for the rest of his life?

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Dredge
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Message 419 of 443 (805516)
04-19-2017 2:44 AM
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04-18-2017 10:30 AM


But is it not true that scientists cite small observed changes in bacteria as evidence that unlimited change is possible, thus enabling whale evolution to be possible?
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Embryology. Haeckel's fraudulent embryo charts are still cited in some textbooks to support the theory of evolution. Wow, that's disturbing. Darwinists love their snake-oil science.

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Dredge
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Message 427 of 443 (805656)
04-20-2017 1:20 AM
Reply to: Message 423 by Davidjay
04-19-2017 8:14 AM


Recently I had a bizarre conversation with my chiropractor, who believes in evolution. I asked her, "Considering the fact that humans are running the 100 faster and faster, can the prediction be made that the current world record will be broken?" She said, "Of course it can; there is no limit to how fast humans can run, because there is no limit to evolution.". This was her idea of being scientific.
The truth is, despite the fact that humans have been running the 100 meters faster and faster, one cannot predict with certainty that the current world record will be broken. It may happen, it may not. No one knows. To predict that it will certainly be broken is to make an irrational assumption and an unscientific extrapolation ... to further claim that there is no limit to how fast evolution will allow humans to run is something out of La La Land.
Irrational assumptions and unscientific extrapolations of this nature are part of the staple diet of the Darwinist mentality. And they call it science!
Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.

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Dredge
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Message 433 of 443 (805816)
04-20-2017 10:50 PM
Reply to: Message 429 by Pressie
04-20-2017 5:35 AM


Pressie: "I think you made that one up".
If you consider it a fact that all life evolved from a common ancestor, how is that not a belief?
Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.

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Dredge
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Message 435 of 443 (805819)
04-20-2017 11:02 PM
Reply to: Message 423 by Davidjay
04-19-2017 8:14 AM


Davidjay: "It's ludicrous and unscientific ... "
Pierre-P. Grasse, professor of zoology and member of Academie des sciences (France):
"(Evolutionary) Biologists must be encouraged to think about the weaknesses of the interpretations and extrapolations that theoreticians put forward or lay down as established truths. The deceit is sometimes unconscious, but not always, as some people, owing to their sectarianism, purposefully overlook reality and refuse to acknowledge the inadequacies and the falsity of their beliefs."

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Dredge
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Message 436 of 443 (805820)
04-20-2017 11:07 PM
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04-20-2017 9:47 AM


Dr. Adequate: "... nothing to do with whales".
It is relevant to whale evolution - unscientific asssumptions and wild extrapolations lead people to theorise that it's possible for whales to evolve from deers.

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Dredge
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Message 438 of 443 (805964)
04-21-2017 8:55 PM
Reply to: Message 420 by Dr Adequate
04-19-2017 3:24 AM


Dr. Adequate: "in which textbooks? Or did you make that up?"
In 2007, Discovery Institute published a list of ten modern textbooks that featured Haeckel's drawings. However, I don't know what the situation is in 2017.
Also according to Discovery institute,Jay Gould wrote this in 2000: "We should ... not be surprised that Haeckel's drawings entered nineteenth century textbooks. But we do, I think, have the right to be both astonished and ashamed by the century of mindless recycling that has led to the persistence of these drawings in a large number, if not a majority, of modern textbooks".

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