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Message 166 of 169 (80367)
01-23-2004 4:54 PM

Stating the obvious
Please forgive me if I'm repeating something that has already been pointed out. This is a question for those Creationists who want Creation taught in science classes. Who would you trust most to teach religion to your children - a science teacher or a teacher of Religion? As a scientist and a Christian I feel I know enough to teach science, but NOT enough to teach any form of religious subject. Also, I would find it very hard to teach children something I don't believe in and I certainly wouldn't want our local priest taking on science teaching since he admits he knows nothing about it! The whole point of having classes in different subjects taken by different teachers is that each subject is taught by someone who is specialised in their teaching area. Shall we get the cookery teacher to teach Maths because there are weights and measures in her recipes so she should understand numbers?
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Message 167 of 169 (80391)
01-23-2004 7:46 PM
Reply to: Message 165 by Thugpreacha
01-23-2004 1:43 PM

Re: Science is science,but what is religion?

"I DO agree with the teachers who state that Biblical truth is best discussed in other classes besides science."

thank you for understanding the differences between religion and science. it is not often that i read comments from people who can see that science deals with one thing while religion deals with another. both are vital to our society and culture and satisfy different needs that we all have.

"By definition the supernatural is unprovable and unverifiable yet to call it a fairy tale or a myth is assuming an absolute truth of your own based on verifiable provable knowledge."

i base my assertion that the bible is myth on the mythological accounts of other influential cultures in the eastern med and middle east at the time the OT was composed. for example, the flood story is almost identical to the flood story from the epic of gilgamesh and the commandments and laws of the bible are an obvious adaptation or clear assimilation of hammurabi's code. other OT stories have many parallels and identical story lines to other babylonian myths, as well as the myths of the persians and egyptians.

fantasy is an escape from reality. in fantasies, people can feel empowered to change any aspect of an oftentimes hostile and unforgiving reality. for example, many people fear death. believing we will go to a better place, or any place at all, after we die soothes the anxiety we feel about death.

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Message 168 of 169 (80392)
01-23-2004 7:54 PM
Reply to: Message 166 by Trixie
01-23-2004 4:54 PM

Re: Stating the obvious
good point. i would rather have the future doctors and technicians of tomorrow being trained by experts in their own fields. if i am ever on the operating table, i would be fine with my surgeon praying before he operates as long as he knows what to do based on anotomy, physiology, biotechnology, etc.

as a biology teacher, i would resist any efforts to force me into turning out witch doctors and shamans instead of well educated young adults who can think critically and evaluate reality.

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Message 169 of 169 (80583)
01-25-2004 12:11 AM
Reply to: Message 168 by hitchy
01-23-2004 7:54 PM

Re: Stating the obvious
I totally agree with you. Many of the scientists at the time of the enlightenment were believers in God, yet they did not ascribe to the whackadocious stuff that the fundy school teachers are teaching. I am a believer in God and that God and Jesus are One. As to the Bible, I will not say that it is wrong...but I will say that it is a mystery. That it was mean't to be understood and studied with a spiritual mind and not with an intellectual mind. The worst thing that has happened is people who try and intellectualize spirituality. My favorite scripture on this topic is this:1 Cor 1:17-20
For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel-not with words of human wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power. 18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written:
"I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;
the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate."
It is indeed frustrating to mix science and spirituality. You don't take a Bible to science class, and when an A-Bomb is about to hit your city, you don't stop and calculate how much energy will hit each square inch of your body! You pray!
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