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Phat
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Message 165 of 169 (80324)
01-23-2004 1:43 PM
Reply to: Message 151 by hitchy
01-12-2004 2:21 PM


Re: Science is science,but what is religion?
Hitchy! My homie! You stated earlier that:
1-science explains NATURAL phenomena in the NATURAL universe that is guided by NATURAL laws. religion deals with the supernatural. of course, people can still argue that there are natural explanations as well as and alongside supernatural explanations for occurences in the bible. of course, the same could be said of any book that intertwines reality with fantasy. however, i wouldn't advocate using those fantasy books in science classes or as guides to how to treat antibiotic-resistant bacteria.
I agree except that I may ask that in regards to religion as entwining reality and fantasy....how can one be sure which is which if in the context of definition, religion deals with the supernatural?
By definition the supernatural is unprovable and unverifiable yet to call it a fairy tale or a myth is assuming an absolute truth of your own based on verifiable provable knowledge.
i just hope that our youngster realizes the dangers of placing a book of subjective beliefs, myths and rituals in a science class. if i teach that you can decide which is better science (meaning better to you and your brainwashing family/community/etc.)--evolution or creationism--i am committing the greatest sin of all--lying to my students.
While it is true that science is based on verifiable facts while religion is not verifiable, it is also not good teaching to place any non verifiable fact in the realm of a fairy tale. By definition, supernatural phenomena are facts within the context of the bible. While we have all seen the bible lambasted and ridiculed, we cannot know for sure that a supernatural battle between good and evil is in fact taking place. It is not science==I cannot prove the supernatural to anyone although I have personally witnessed it.
I DO agree with the teachers who state that Biblical truth is best discussed in other classes besides science.
[This message has been edited by Phatboy, 01-23-2004]

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Phat
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Message 169 of 169 (80583)
01-25-2004 12:11 AM
Reply to: Message 168 by hitchy
01-23-2004 7:54 PM


Re: Stating the obvious
I totally agree with you. Many of the scientists at the time of the enlightenment were believers in God, yet they did not ascribe to the whackadocious stuff that the fundy school teachers are teaching. I am a believer in God and that God and Jesus are One. As to the Bible, I will not say that it is wrong...but I will say that it is a mystery. That it was mean't to be understood and studied with a spiritual mind and not with an intellectual mind. The worst thing that has happened is people who try and intellectualize spirituality. My favorite scripture on this topic is this:1 Cor 1:17-20
For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel-not with words of human wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power. 18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written:
"I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;
the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate."
It is indeed frustrating to mix science and spirituality. You don't take a Bible to science class, and when an A-Bomb is about to hit your city, you don't stop and calculate how much energy will hit each square inch of your body! You pray!

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