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Topic: How do you define the word Evolution?
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Coyote
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Message 468 of 936 (806351)
04-24-2017 10:50 PM
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Reply to: Message 467 by Dredge
04-24-2017 10:45 PM
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Re: Dobzhansky
Science is defined by observation and experiments... Whereas religion is defined by belief in ancient (or sometimes even modern) folk tales, often in spite of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. (Pots should be wary of calling the kettle black...)
Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity. Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.
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Message 504 of 936 (806669)
04-27-2017 9:27 AM
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Reply to: Message 500 by Dredge
04-27-2017 3:32 AM
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Re: Dobzhansky
This might come as a shock to you, but a solid understanding of the foundations of biology doesn't require the theory that all life evolved from a common ancestor. Why are you so afraid of the idea that existing life evolved from a common ancestor?
Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity. Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.
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Message 515 of 936 (806781)
04-27-2017 9:40 PM
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Reply to: Message 496 by Dredge
04-27-2017 3:04 AM
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Re: Dobzhansky
...as it cannot be verified by observation and experiment. Where do you get the nonsensical idea that something requires experiment in order to be science? (That's a rhetorical question, as its strictly creationists pushing this "experiment" idea so as to discredit fields of science that contradict their religious beliefs.) All science needs is observations, and from those observations scientists can devise hypotheses and test them against future observations. Hypotheses which make successful predictions and survive the tests can evolve into a theory. In science, it is the theory which organizes and explains the observations.
Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity. Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.
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Message 644 of 936 (807750)
05-05-2017 9:21 AM
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Reply to: Message 628 by Dredge
05-05-2017 5:57 AM
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Re: Reality strikes again
Stephen Jay Gould said that the fossil record is characterised by "sudden appearance" and "stasis", which he attributed to Punctuated Equilibrium. However, sudden appearance and stasis can also be attributed to creation. Except for one little detail: there is a lot of evidence for speciation, while none for deities poofing things into existence.
Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity. Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.
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Message 667 of 936 (808689)
05-12-2017 9:07 AM
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Reply to: Message 665 by Dredge
05-12-2017 5:07 AM
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Re: Part of the problem?
If you want to learn more about the fossil record, read creationist science. If you want to learn more about the fossil record, try a few years in graduate school (I did just that). If you want to see the exact opposite of real science, a 180 perversion of real science, read creation "science."
Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity. Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.
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Message 671 of 936 (808879)
05-14-2017 10:26 AM
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Reply to: Message 668 by Dredge
05-14-2017 6:25 AM
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Re: Creation "science"
In graduate school, all you'll get is the fossil record according to the atheist cult of Darwinism. In graduate school we had a bone lab with casts of all the major fossils, along with skeletons of humans and most of the primates. We were able to check the data for ourselves. This is the exact opposite of what creationists do.
Pierre-P. Grasse: "Assuming that the Darwinian hypothesis ... [paleontologists then] interpret fossil data according to it .... The error in their method is obvious." Grasse died in 1895, and according to Wiki "He was an expert on termites and one of the last proponents of neo-Lamarckian evolution." Not exactly your most current and authoritative source, but its just like creationists to go back in time looking for anything that they can quote mine to try and make the theory of evolution go away. If creationists actually had evidence for their claims they wouldn't have to spend all their time arguing against evolution.
Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity. Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.
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Message 678 of 936 (809253)
05-17-2017 12:24 PM
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Reply to: Message 677 by RAZD
05-17-2017 12:10 PM
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Re: Part of the problem?
Curiously in both cases we note that science has moved on since those times, so what they said in the past does not necessarily apply to evolution science today ... ... and most of the time Darwin is quoted is to correct false claims by creationists over what his work says Religions tend to look to founding/authority figures as the source of "truth." They think (wrongly) that science works the same way. That's the reason for all the attacks on Darwin, and all the attention given to "Darwinism."
Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity. Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.
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Message 730 of 936 (811191)
06-05-2017 5:59 PM
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Reply to: Message 729 by CRR
06-05-2017 5:55 PM
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Re: Dobzhansky
Common descent has been part of the theory of evolution from the beginning. Then you should be used to it by now.
Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity. Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.
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Message 789 of 936 (813421)
06-27-2017 11:51 AM
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Reply to: Message 788 by Taq
06-27-2017 11:15 AM
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Re: The[n] we'll need to define macroevolution
When creationists state that macroevolution does not occur, what are they saying does not occur? They're saying, "I ain't no kin to no monkey!"
Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity. Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.
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Member (Idle past 2127 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: 01-12-2008
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Message 927 of 936 (814358)
07-08-2017 12:35 AM
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Reply to: Message 926 by dwise1
07-08-2017 12:17 AM
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Re: Polyploidy -- evolution by doubling the genome
...we have the Osher Lifelong Learning Institutes (OLLI) program for adults 50+ Good program! I've lectured there perhaps 10 times over the years.
Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity. Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.
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