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Faith 
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Message 541 of 1352 (806449)
04-25-2017 3:59 PM
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04-25-2017 1:58 PM


Erosion and unconformities in Cratonic Sequences
The details, however, will obliterate your conclusions as usual.
You see, for each of these transgressions, there is always erosion in progress to provide sediment for the sedimentary sequences. As I have said before, the Cratonic Sequence idea does not consider either mountains and erosion, nor ocean basins and deep-sea sedimentation. They only apply to non-tectonic areas (at the time) out to the continental shelves.
No comment on my preoccupation with the level of the water eh?
In fact, these sequences are completely based on the presence of unconformity-bounded sedimentary packages identified in North America. As I remember, you doubt the presence of unconformities in the geological record.
I did keep reading that the sequences are marked by such unconformities but couldn't make sense of it and don't see its significance now either. Yes, those "unconformities" that are the supposed complete absence of a whole layer from the Geological Column, yes, I definitely doubt the presence of those absent layers, yes indeed.
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Message 542 of 1352 (806451)
04-25-2017 4:13 PM
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04-21-2017 7:47 PM


Re: Let's not keep arguing the same old basics
Faith writes:
If the Bible is the truth . . .
You need to support that if with evidence, not simply assert it is true without evidence.

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Faith 
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Message 543 of 1352 (806452)
04-25-2017 4:18 PM
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04-25-2017 4:13 PM


Re: Let's not keep arguing the same old basics
Not according to Admin, when it's the foundational assumption for the arguments.
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Message 544 of 1352 (806453)
04-25-2017 4:25 PM
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04-25-2017 4:18 PM


Re: Let's not keep arguing the same old basics
quote:
Not according to Admin, when it's the foundational assumption for the arguments
That seems to be the opposite of what Admin said
The Bible can be used as a starting point, but corroborating real world evidence must also be supplied
Message 433

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Message 545 of 1352 (806454)
04-25-2017 4:33 PM
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04-25-2017 4:18 PM


Re: Let's not keep arguing the same old basics
Faith writes:
Not according to Admin, even on this same thread.
According to reason and logic, yes, you need to support your assertions with evidence.

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edge
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Message 546 of 1352 (806464)
04-25-2017 8:10 PM
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04-25-2017 3:59 PM


Re: Erosion and unconformities in Cratonic Sequences
No comment on my preoccupation with the level of the water eh?
As per the chart, the actual water level is not important. Partly because every one of the dividing lines between continent and ocean is an unconformity.
And also the fact that the chart does not address emergent mountain ranges.
I did keep reading that the sequences are marked by such unconformities but couldn't make sense of it and don't see its significance now either. Yes, those "unconformities" that are the supposed complete absence of a whole layer from the Geological Column, yes, I definitely doubt the presence of those absent layers, yes indeed.
In that case, you will never understand the chart.
And there is so much more that we haven't even touched upon ...
We are apparently at an impasse.
Edited by edge, : No reason given.

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Message 547 of 1352 (806466)
04-25-2017 9:42 PM
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04-25-2017 1:38 PM


Ducking, as usual
You're still ducking the evidence I posted in Message 528.
You have no evidence to show what I posted is wrong.
You lose, we win. Same as always.

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Message 548 of 1352 (806473)
04-26-2017 12:21 AM
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04-25-2017 1:55 PM


Re: Inch by inchers are having trouble with their inches
More denials, as evolutionists hate to state anything except nobody knows, most of all them.
Nevertheless their theory, even if they are afraid to admit it is, inch by inch, and nothing catastrophic ever happens around HERE, and 'all things continue as they were" quote from the Bible.
This inch by inch nonsense is what evolutionists believe, they hate the evidence of the worldwide flood andconsequently, hate the idea that the one land mass divided into the continents, as the Bible states....When ? in the days of Peleg after the Flood. How long, after 130 years.
Why to again separate mankind from each other because of their tendency to get together to make more evil rather than combine for good.
SEE also the Tower of Babel, as the Lord had to also give them different languages so they wont build their dam cities and dam towers to try and show off their dam power.

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Message 549 of 1352 (806476)
04-26-2017 12:31 AM
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04-26-2017 12:21 AM


Re: Inch by inchers are having trouble with their inches
You're lying to us about what we think.
Whom do you hope to deceive?

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Message 550 of 1352 (806501)
04-26-2017 4:29 AM
Reply to: Message 473 by Dr Adequate
04-24-2017 2:29 AM


Re: Six "Flood" Arguments Creationists Can't Answer
OK, 5. Fossil Sequence.
I'll do some research and get back to you.

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Faith 
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Message 551 of 1352 (806503)
04-26-2017 5:03 AM
Reply to: Message 546 by edge
04-25-2017 8:10 PM


Re: Erosion and unconformities in Cratonic Sequences
No comment on my preoccupation with the level of the water eh?
As per the chart, the actual water level is not important. Partly because every one of the dividing lines between continent and ocean is an unconformity.
And also the fact that the chart does not address emergent mountain ranges.
Both of which are imaginary, interestingly enough. Perhaps you could offer some specific evidence for these? Where for instance have these unconformities been identified? Unlikely they all exist in any one geo column, right? So you must have to jump around to locate them.
And what about those "emergent" mountains? The Rockies did form rather dramatically to the west of the Cretaceous Seaway, but not until after all the strata were laid down as I think of it, and since your evidence is going to be more imaginary conjurings there's no reason to think it any better than mine. I think of course of the imaginary mountains Geology has erected from the angular unconformity at the base of the Grand Canyon. Nothing but airy fantasy but you expect us all to treat Geology as evidenced Science. I've given more reasonable evidence for the Flood over my time at EvC.
I did keep reading that the sequences are marked by such unconformities but couldn't make sense of it and don't see its significance now either. Yes, those "unconformities" that are the supposed complete absence of a whole layer from the Geological Column, yes, I definitely doubt the presence of those absent layers, yes indeed.
In that case, you will never understand the chart.
You could try spelling it out, if you could bring yourself to lay aside your tendency to make things as hard as possible for a creationist. I am capable of entertaining a hypothetical, though I've found that most here haven't that ability when it comes to getting anything right that a creationist says.
And there is so much more that we haven't even touched upon ...
Ah, more imaginary stuff, what fun. Let's see, we've got imaginary layers, imaginary mountains, imaginary time period landscapes, what else?
ABE: Oh yes, imaginary erosion in those tight contacts between layers. Imaginary shallow seas, imaginary supercontinents (except for Pangaea which probably represents something real though probably not in that shape, and of course in the wrong time frame), and more I'm sure. /ABE
We are apparently at an impasse.
Quelle surprise.
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Pressie
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Message 552 of 1352 (806512)
04-26-2017 6:12 AM
Reply to: Message 551 by Faith
04-26-2017 5:03 AM


Re: Erosion and unconformities in Cratonic Sequences
I'm trying to figure out what you're saying, Faith.
For example:
Faith writes:
Perhaps you could offer some specific evidence for these? Where for instance have these unconformities been identified? Unlikely they all exist in any one geo column, right?
What the heck is 'any one geo column'? The core from a borehole?
You really don't make any sense.

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Faith 
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Message 553 of 1352 (806513)
04-26-2017 6:14 AM
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04-26-2017 6:12 AM


Re: Erosion and unconformities in Cratonic Sequences
The core from a borehole might suffice where the strata are not exposed.

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Pressie
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Message 554 of 1352 (806514)
04-26-2017 6:22 AM
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04-26-2017 5:03 AM


Re: Erosion and unconformities in Cratonic Sequences
I'm trying to figure out what you're saying, Faith.
For example:
Faith writes:
Perhaps you could offer some specific evidence for these? Where for instance have these unconformities been identified? Unlikely they all exist in any one geo column, right?
What the heck is 'any one geo column'? That doesn't make any sense.
The core from a borehole? I, personally have logged a lot of boreholes. I' ve seen a lot of unconformities just by logging boreholes. Unconformities are easily identified.
Have you?
You really don't make any sense.

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Faith 
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Message 555 of 1352 (806515)
04-26-2017 6:26 AM
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04-26-2017 6:22 AM


Re: Erosion and unconformities in Cratonic Sequences
Since you recognize these imaginary unconformities so easily, please identify the six that are supposedly represented on the chart of the Cratonic Sequences and give their geographic location. Thank you.

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