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Chiroptera
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Message 136 of 404 (806441)
04-25-2017 3:11 PM


Why aren't the racists weighing in?
I've been making a half-hearted search looking for evidence that any of the major American racist organizations make evolution a major tenet of their ideologies, but I haven't found anything.

I found some sites claiming that American racist organizations tend more toward Biblical literalism (although some tend to be Old Earth Creationism).

I would think that if the theory of evolution was racist, actual real racists would be all over it. So, which major racist organizations make evolution a major tenet of their ideologies?


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Taq
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Message 137 of 404 (806446)
04-25-2017 3:52 PM
Reply to: Message 132 by Davidjay
04-25-2017 10:43 AM


Re: Competition selects ????
Davidjay writes:

Pressie, by being semantic, you think you can cover up inequality with equality.

Your entire argument is semantics. You are trying to redefine evolution into something it is not.

Thats as double speak and evasive as double speak and evasive gets. We are talking about, the branching out of evolution into new kinds or species, rather than talking about the branching out NOW at this time. EQUAL TIME is NOT EQUAL BRANCHING. Branching out is a fundamental belief system of evolution.

Branching out does not make something any more or any less evolved. Evolution can produce unbranched lineages and branched lineages. There is nothing in the theory of evolution that requires evolution to produce a set number of branches.

Your fellow not so bright evolutionists said, humans are not branching out, and they are all the same....

We said that all modern humans belong to a single species, and there are not human populations that are diverging from one another at this time. Why is that a big deal?

Equal evolution, is just a phrase you just made up or your fellow congregationists made up to avoid admitting evolution teaches branching out and racism.

The only one teaching racism is you. You are the only one who is saying that someone different from you is inferior to you.


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Message 138 of 404 (806447)
04-25-2017 3:56 PM
Reply to: Message 133 by Davidjay
04-25-2017 10:46 AM


Davidjay writes:

When you say, "Evolution does not require all to change at the same rate". ... thats more double speak,

The actual theory states that not all lineages need to experience the same rate of morphological change. Perhaps you should learn what the actual theory states before lecturing us on it.

thats more double speak, but at least you refer to the evolutionary belief system that species branch out, yet then try to cover up your diversitifcation theory by using the word equal, as if species are equal at any given moment in time.

How are they unequal? The theory states that all descendants are equidistant from their common ancestor. How is that not equal?

Using equality as a slithering word manipulation to cover up your branching racism doctrine is hardly honorable.

The only racism we see is your racism, where you declare that anyone different from you is inferior to you.


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Message 139 of 404 (806488)
04-26-2017 1:31 AM
Reply to: Message 138 by Taq
04-25-2017 3:56 PM


I repeat this topic is about how evolution is a racist doctrine because it states that a species branches out into other branches and species.

It makes inequalities and supposed better, or superior branches or races.

Pressy just used double speak, and switched the topic over to at this moment in time all species are equally evolved. That brethren is total double speak. We are NOT talking about time, we are talking about branching out which evolutionists HEREIN have denied. They have denied their own theory and want to slither away from the truth about evolution making racism acceptable according to their theory. Evolution is a basic principle of racism. Species branch out, supposedly diversify, and become different.

This making it very plausible for evolutionists to comprehend in their religion that blacks are inferior to whites are inferior to yellows etc etc etc.... and their extinction by one race, they can say or think is inevitable as their MOTHER NATURE and them select out the weaker branches for the superior race

Racism loses. Evolution loses. Double speak loses

Creation and love wins again. Thank the Lord for true equality.


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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.

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Message 140 of 404 (806500)
04-26-2017 4:15 AM
Reply to: Message 139 by Davidjay
04-26-2017 1:31 AM


I repeat this topic is about how evolution is a racist doctrine because it states that a species branches out into other branches and species.

Is a doberman superior to a german sheppard?

There is more of a genetic difference between them then there is between blacks and whites. Sure they are different but that does not make one superior to the other.


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Message 141 of 404 (806505)
04-26-2017 5:20 AM
Reply to: Message 139 by Davidjay
04-26-2017 1:31 AM


I repeat this topic is about how evolution is a racist doctrine because it states that a species branches out into other branches and species.

Nah, you're ignoring the real culprit here - physics !

By allowing visible light to be constituted by different wavelengths, we can perceive something off which light bounces - skin, say - as having different colours.

Racism is all down to physics !


Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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Pressie
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Message 142 of 404 (806507)
04-26-2017 5:31 AM
Reply to: Message 132 by Davidjay
04-25-2017 10:43 AM


Re: Competition selects ????
Ah, another word salad from Davidjay.

Davidjay writes:

Pressie, by being semantic, you think you can cover up inequality with equality...

What the heck does this even mean?

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Chiroptera
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Message 143 of 404 (806523)
04-26-2017 7:53 AM


More questions
Modern science says that all humans are basically the same, but people in Africa have dark skins because people who are incapacitated with second degree sunburn or advanced melanoma have fewer children, while northern Europeans have lighter skin because not having severe rickets is also reproductively advantageous.

Ancient fables tell us that all humans are basically the same, but Africans have darker skins because one should never look at a drunken, naked Noah.

Why does this make science racist?

Edited by Chiroptera, : Minor edit


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Message 144 of 404 (806525)
04-26-2017 8:11 AM
Reply to: Message 143 by Chiroptera
04-26-2017 7:53 AM


Re: More questions
This is getting unnecessarily confused.

Davidjay isn't describing it correctly for one thing. It isn't because evolution says branches evolve since those would just be cousins, it's because of the idea that one species, or race, evolved FROM another, that people deduced that one race was superior to another. There were ideas in the sixties I think, don't know if they were earlier, that the human race began in Africa, making the darkskinned Africans the "first" human beings, from which all the others evolved. That allowed people of a racist turn of mind to classify them as less evolved or inferior to those who "evolved" later.

As a matter of fact that isn't how it works, all the races DID branch out from earlier ancestors, putting us all in more of a cousin relation to each other, and that doesn't allow for the racist thinking, it's the linear evolution FROM earlier races that allows for that.

I don't know if anyone makes use of any of this any more for racist purposes but when the theory was new a lot of people did, and some races were considered to be inferior because supposedly earlier (closer to the ape-like ancestors) and that sort of thing. Or just because somebody decided they were inferior and made up some half-baked rationalization loosely based on evolution from one race to another. I think the Holocaust is what finally did in that sort of thinking and people just don't go there any more.

Again: The only thing that makes evolution racist is the idea of one race evolving FROM another, as human beings evolved FROM the ape-like ancestor. But again that isn't what happens, it's a branch-like thing that happens.

The fossil record makes the same kind of mistake. It supposedly shows races or varieties in higher layers as having evolved FROM those in lower. But they are probably just cousins, branches of the same species that may or may not have evolved from any particular other variety. It's even quite possible that those in the lower strata evolved from those in the higher. (But then I'm a Floodist so I see all the fossils as creatures that died at the same time anyway.)

There is nothing in the Bible that says anything about dark skin let alone that it was a result of the sin against father Noah. The range of skin colors is best explained as all built into the genomes of Adam and Eve. One set of parents makes us all related and gives no excuse for racism.

Racism is part of fallen nature and finds excuses in various places with or without justification, the Bible, evolution, whatever.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Message 145 of 404 (806531)
04-26-2017 8:36 AM
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04-26-2017 8:11 AM


Re: More questions
He-he-he.

YEC Faith telling another creationist who wrong he is.

Now, that's funny.

Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.


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Message 146 of 404 (806553)
04-26-2017 9:33 AM
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04-26-2017 8:36 AM


Re: More questions
Sooner or later they always turn on and eat their own. It is too hard to keep all the lies and bullshit consistent. That is why there are over 38,000 denominations.
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/topics/d/denominations/

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Chiroptera
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Message 147 of 404 (806554)
04-26-2017 9:41 AM
Reply to: Message 144 by Faith
04-26-2017 8:11 AM


Re: More questions
Thanks for replying, Faith.

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Davidjay isn't describing it correctly for one thing.

I admit that my comment was mostly to tweak Davidjay. But I also think it's useful to remind people that what evolution has to say about human races.

Namely that natural selection may explain some superficial differences, modern genetics shows there hasn't been any significant divergence between the different human populations, and modern sociology/psychology shows there isn't any significant genetic differences in intellectual ability or tendency toward crime.

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There is nothing in the Bible that says anything about dark skin let alone that it was a result of the sin against father Noah.

Yeah, I realize that most contemporary Christians don't subscribe to the Hamitic theory of race. But it is undeniable that it has been used in the past (and currently among some racists) to justify racism.

I think it's good to keep that in mind when confronting those who think that being used by bad people to justify their evil somehow makes evolution uniquely dangerous.

People who hold irrational beliefs will use anything to justify their beliefs. I don't see the theory of evolution as being any more likely to be abused in this respect.


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Message 148 of 404 (806558)
04-26-2017 10:42 AM
Reply to: Message 144 by Faith
04-26-2017 8:11 AM


Re: More questions
Faith writes:

Davidjay isn't describing it correctly for one thing. It isn't because evolution says branches evolve since those would just be cousins, it's because of the idea that one species, or race, evolved FROM another, that people deduced that one race was superior to another.

First, the theory of evolution does not say that one living species evolved from another living species.

Second, I don't see why evolving from one species would make the new species superior to the ancestral species in terms of racism.

When people misrepresent a theory it isn't the fault of the theory. Just because racists can twist and misrepresent evolution does not make the theory of evolution racist.

The fossil record makes the same kind of mistake. It supposedly shows races or varieties in higher layers as having evolved FROM those in lower.

Except that no such thing is done. No fossil is assumed to be a direct ancestor of any living species.


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Message 149 of 404 (806559)
04-26-2017 10:45 AM
Reply to: Message 139 by Davidjay
04-26-2017 1:31 AM


Davidjay writes:

I repeat this topic is about how evolution is a racist doctrine because it states that a species branches out into other branches and species.

Why does sharing a common ancestor make evolution a racist doctrine? If I say that you and your cousins share a common set of grandparents, is that a racist comment?

We are NOT talking about time, we are talking about branching out which evolutionists HEREIN have denied.

Branching out involves time, so if you talk about branching out then you are talking about time.

Evolution is a basic principle of racism. Species branch out, supposedly diversify, and become different.

It is only your racist beliefs that deem someone inferior because they are different from you. The theory of evolution says no such thing.


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Message 150 of 404 (806560)
04-26-2017 10:50 AM
Reply to: Message 148 by Taq
04-26-2017 10:42 AM


Re: .Evolutionists say one living thing did NOT evolve from another
Break through Tag, like other evolutionists NOW say..

"First, the theory of evolution does not say that one living species evolved from another living species."

This only because I caught them in their racist doctrine, and they want to backtrack and use double speak to evade their guilt. But what do they do, they deny ther basic premise of one living species evolving into another.

They deny apes turned into humans, they deny that supposedly fish turned into birds, and birds into mamals or other living things. They deny their theory, they deny their religion, because the.y know they have been found out and found quilty of supporting a racist theory.

Denying their own faith is a crime in their religion of evolution, but they are doing it HERE on this thread.

Darn it is easy to defeat backtracking evasive evolutionists.

Dont you agree READERS, evolutionists will again squirm and wiggle and evade and deny, but HEREIN their words are recorded.

Lets rerecord Taq infamous statement... and then watch the wiggling and excuses.

"""First, the theory of evolution does not say that one living species evolved from another living species.""""

Jesus wins again, creation wins, love wins, co-operation wins.


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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.

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