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Dr Adequate
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Message 766 of 1006 (806595)
04-26-2017 5:25 PM
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04-26-2017 5:19 PM


True meaning in life is attained by becoming one with the banana.

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Message 767 of 1006 (806596)
04-26-2017 5:43 PM
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04-26-2017 5:19 PM


Re: You really need to drop that straw man by now
Consider the biome of our gut contains more genetic diversity than our own and is influencing human health and behavior on a level we are only now beginning to understand, it is giving new meaning to having a "gut feeling". So perhaps we owe some of our morality to the bugs in our digestive tract too. Or maybe like the Zombie Ant our behavior is being driven by some unseen biological process yet to be discovered.

"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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Message 768 of 1006 (806597)
04-26-2017 5:57 PM
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04-26-2017 5:25 PM



"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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Message 769 of 1006 (806611)
04-26-2017 9:57 PM
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02-02-2017 3:56 PM


Evolutionists can not explain morals
Evolutionists can not explain altruistic behaviour, as evolution states it is the survival of the fittest competition, and extinction to the losers who do not mutate every billion years.
Remember genetics, remember no behaviours ever get into our DNA, never ever. Behaviours are not transferred to our children or ever to the offspring of animals. Each generation has to decide for themselves or fall back on the instincts given them, and behaviours given them by the Lord of Creation. No behaviour or morals ever transpose into the next generation, never, ever.
Dont try to say animals think about their behaviours and then teach social norms and morals to their group, or pack, or flock etc... or tribe or nationalistic group.
Each individual has to choose their morals in how to deal with others. Morality is about how to act with others. Evolutionists have zero crebability outside their pious religious walls of false science, as they have no answers to symbiotic relationships or morality or behaviours.
NO behaviour gets into our DNA.. ZERO
The Lords principle is CHOICE, individual CHOICE.
Deal with it as mature individuals not as groupies.

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Dr Adequate
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Message 770 of 1006 (806618)
04-26-2017 10:23 PM
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04-26-2017 9:57 PM


Re: Evolutionists can not explain morals
Evolutionists can not explain altruistic behaviour, as evolution states it is the survival of the fittest competition, and extinction to the losers who do not mutate every billion years.
You are of course wrong.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 771 of 1006 (806619)
04-26-2017 10:24 PM
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04-26-2017 5:57 PM


It is not enough to embrace the banana: you must welcome it inside you.

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Message 772 of 1006 (806622)
04-26-2017 10:33 PM
Reply to: Message 766 by Dr Adequate
04-26-2017 5:25 PM


Your banana, wont make you happy or help you reproduce, Dr....
I thought you would have known this., as a supposed Doctor
We are and were created to recreat within only our KIND. Find somebody of your own kind rather than becoming one with your banana.
But the choice is yours

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Message 773 of 1006 (806644)
04-27-2017 3:20 AM
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04-25-2017 7:33 PM


Re: Another question:
This is too deep for me to comprehend.

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Message 774 of 1006 (806645)
04-27-2017 3:25 AM
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04-25-2017 5:20 PM


Why is that such a problem for you?
It's not a problem for me - more like morbid curiosity. I just can't understand how meaning can be found in a meaningless event.

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bluegenes
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Message 775 of 1006 (806648)
04-27-2017 3:32 AM
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04-26-2017 10:33 PM


Banana Karma
Davidjay writes:
Your banana, wont make you happy or help you reproduce, Dr....
I thought you would have known this., as a supposed Doctor
We are and were created to recreat within only our KIND. Find somebody of your own kind rather than becoming one with your banana.
But the choice is yours
Spot on, Dave. You tell him. One of the worst aspects of modern atheists is their habit of sticking bananas in the wrong orifice, presumably in the dumb evolutionist hope of producing a hybrid that they can converse with while eating. You can even see them doing this in public as here: Banana Bar.
The choice is theirs, as you say, but the time will surely come when the Lord will smite them with fire.

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Chiroptera
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Message 776 of 1006 (806661)
04-27-2017 8:19 AM
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04-27-2017 3:20 AM


Re: Another question:
I thought the question was clear enough, but maybe not. Do you really need me to clarify my point, or are you deciding to not answer the question?
Added by edit:
Okay, in case my point was obscure and I need to clarify, I've decided to give a proper reply.
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Edited by Chiroptera, : No reason given.

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Message 777 of 1006 (806663)
04-27-2017 8:28 AM
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04-27-2017 3:32 AM


Re: Banana Karma
bluejeans writes:
The choice is theirs, as you say, but the time will surely come when the Lord will smite them with fire.
Ah, a Bananas Foster reference. Good form.

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Chiroptera
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Message 778 of 1006 (806678)
04-27-2017 9:41 AM
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04-27-2017 3:20 AM


Let's start over.
Okay, I'm going to go ahead and give a proper response to this to save some time. You may have already responded to similar questions, but by the time I've come to this thread, the conversation has already moved ahead and become (to a late comer) confusing.
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For the record, I am an atheist and I accept the theory of evolution as the unifying theory of biology that has passed all the scientific tests put to it.
So:
I find meaning in my life and find it rather enjoyable over all. I also have a sense of morality upon which I act.
What is your issue with that?

I believe in a relatively equal society, supported by institutions that limit extremes of wealth and poverty. I believe in democracy, civil liberties, and the rule of law. That makes me a liberal, and I’m proud of it. -- Paul Krugman

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Davidjay 
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Message 779 of 1006 (806680)
04-27-2017 9:44 AM
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04-26-2017 10:24 PM


Banana comments are foolish and violations IMO
Your banana comments are pure foolishness, and sexual. Please desist, and reframe and show some morality and class, even if you are an evolutionist.
Thats two strikes in one day.
No behaviour or group o behaviours or morality is ever passed onto a new generation via genetics, all individuals start as individuals, and must be taught or must choose their set of morality laws or codes.

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
.

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Davidjay 
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Message 780 of 1006 (806682)
04-27-2017 9:53 AM
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04-27-2017 9:41 AM


Re: Atheism and Evolution are bed mates
Yes , Chir.
You have divine choice, and are responsible in this life and thereafter for your thoughts and ACTIONS. If in love, the Lord sees it and will treat you fairly in love and justice. Not a problem.
I repeat the good loving Lord gives people choices.
As for your other choice of evolution, it is surely part of your first choice which is atheism. Right ? Right ! They fit together and are compatible and support one another.
They are believed by faith. Not a problem, if thats where your faith lies, go for it. Your choice.
But we should discuss, the obvious disagreements of morality with evolution.
Evolution is about competition and not about co-operation. Its about selfishness as I have been saying over and over and over again. Right ? Right ! Its about survival of the fittest.... a natural element in all of us, our own survival..its also called sin, where we do not consider others.
SEE Cain killed Able and the following results of jealousy and hatred and selfishness.
Evolution leads to selfishness, and the extinctions of others that take our supposed resources or are in competition for our resources.
Atheists that continue in love and a morality by logic must reject the selfish morality espoused by the theory of evolution.
Jesus wins, love wins
Atheism loses in the end, and evolution loses in the beginning and in the end.
Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
.

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