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Chiroptera
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Message 181 of 404 (806837)
04-28-2017 10:53 AM
Reply to: Message 177 by Davidjay
04-28-2017 9:36 AM


What in the world is the dispute?
Chir, again trying to get away from the truth that evolution is a branching, that in and of itself means it is a racist doctrine....

Yes, apes are a branch of primates. That branch then split, one side going to orangutans, the other to gorillas-chimps-humans.

The gorillas-chimps-human branch then split, one side going to gorillas, the other to chimps and humans.

The chimp-human branched, and the chimp branch split between chimpanzees and bonobos.

Are you claiming that identifying orangutans, gorillas, chimps, and humans as different species is racist?

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Chir trying to make an exception out of humans says, that humans inbreed only among themselves.

It's pretty much a fact that all living humans form a single breeding population. There has been no branching of populations of living humans.

Do you dispute this? Do you think that there has been a branching of living human populations? Because if you think that in spite of the facts to the contrary, then that makes you the racist.

Edited by Chiroptera, : Typo.


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Taq
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Message 182 of 404 (806841)
04-28-2017 11:13 AM
Reply to: Message 177 by Davidjay
04-28-2017 9:36 AM


Re: .Another evolutionary LIE.... humans alone interbreed only among themselves
Davidjay writes:

Chir, again trying to get away from the truth that evolution is a branching, that in and of itself means it is a racist doctrine,

WHY????

You never seem to explain this.

Study this insanity, Chir trying to make an exception out of humans says, that humans inbreed only among themselves.

Then show us the other species of human if you claim it exists.

Lets see evolutionists tried to say primates are our cousins and grandparents and ancestors, meaning apes and chimps... even though their theory calls this evolution and branching and evolving new species.

We are still apes, so I don't see why it is surprising that apes were our ancestors. Also, none of our ancestors were chimps.

Perhaps you should learn what the theory actually says before claiming it is racist.


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Taq
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Message 183 of 404 (806845)
04-28-2017 11:15 AM
Reply to: Message 179 by bluegenes
04-28-2017 10:04 AM


Re: .Another evolutionary LIE.... humans alone interbreed only among themselves
bluegenes writes:

I tried Google translate, but it just seemed confused by the above. Can anyone here translate this into English for the rest of us?

I think I can give it a try.

Davidjay is racist. He thinks that anyone different from him is inferior to him. He sees that the theory of evolution causes lineages to be different from one another, so he projects his own racism onto the theory and proclaims that the theory is racist.


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bluegenes
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Message 184 of 404 (806858)
04-28-2017 12:41 PM
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04-28-2017 11:15 AM


Re: .Another evolutionary LIE.... humans alone interbreed only among themselves
Taq writes:

bluegenes writes:

I tried Google translate, but it just seemed confused by the above. Can anyone here translate this into English for the rest of us?

I think I can give it a try.

Davidjay is racist. He thinks that anyone different from him is inferior to him......

Judging by that post, he'd be flattering himself if he considered himself superior to the proverbial monkey with a typewriter.


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Davidjay 
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Message 185 of 404 (806907)
04-29-2017 8:43 AM
Reply to: Message 181 by Chiroptera
04-28-2017 10:53 AM


Re: What in the world is the dispute?
Chir, you are saying that primates never branched from anything else, and are making an exception for humans because you want to include chimps, and apes to your family branch.

Thats a con, thats a total disagreement with your con of a theory.

Caught you guys again in a cover up and lie. I hardly ever use ther word LIE, but this statement that humans are part of the primate branch and that primate BRANCH never branched from any other biological branch, it a complete LIE and deviates entirely from the supposed theory of evolution.

Please dont lie, to cover up the truth that evolution says we branched out from mere chimps and apes but they also branched from earlier life species, like fish or birds, or wahtever they draw up via their artists.

Evolution is a branching and as such is racist. And as such causes no end of hayhem and suffering on earths inhabitants, making them suspectible to extinction.

Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.


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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.

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Davidjay 
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Message 186 of 404 (806909)
04-29-2017 8:48 AM
Reply to: Message 183 by Taq
04-28-2017 11:15 AM


Re: .Another evolutionary LIE.... humans alone interbreed only among themselves
Tag. No, stating a subjective slur against me is a violation, but you can try to say that the theory of creationism is racism, because it promotes and teaches equality rather than evolutionary racism and superiority of new brtanches or new races or superior nationalities. etc.

So by your violations and frustrations in not being able to defend your racist doctrines, you lose and creationism and love wins again.

Notice how I call your doctrine racism, and not yourselves because as individuals you do not have to choose and live out the racist doctrine of evolution. Its your choice and is not in your bloodlines or DNA, its a bad choice, a very bad unscientific choice.

Choose love not competition and racism


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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.

.


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Coyote
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Message 187 of 404 (806919)
04-29-2017 10:19 AM
Reply to: Message 185 by Davidjay
04-29-2017 8:43 AM


Re: What in the world are you thinking?
...but this statement that humans are part of the primate branch and that primate BRANCH never branched from any other biological branch, it a complete LIE and deviates entirely from the supposed theory of evolution.

Davidjay, your reading comprehension appears to be sorely lacking, as does your ability to entertain ideas other than those frozen in place in your closed mind.

See the following:


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.

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Message 188 of 404 (806924)
04-29-2017 11:24 AM
Reply to: Message 187 by Coyote
04-29-2017 10:19 AM


Re: What in the world are you thinking?
...but this statement that humans are part of the primate branch and that primate BRANCH never branched from any other biological branch, it a complete LIE and deviates entirely from the supposed theory of evolution.

Davidjay, your reading comprehension appears to be sorely lacking, as does your ability to entertain ideas other than those frozen in place in your closed mind.

When they think they are attacking the Theory of Evolution with a broadaxe, but in reality it is a 1950's balsa wood movie prop.

Because they never studied the difference between steel and wood.

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Chiroptera
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Message 189 of 404 (806941)
04-29-2017 1:27 PM
Reply to: Message 185 by Davidjay
04-29-2017 8:43 AM


That you misinterpreted that tells us something
Chir, you are saying that primates never branched from anything else, and are making an exception for humans because you want to include chimps, and apes to your family branch.

No, I didn't say that at all. I wanted to talk about what the theory of evolution says about branching in regards to human beings. For brevity I didn't want to start at the origin of life so I started with apes.

I've talked before how my family started in Ohio and ended up in Alaska. Starting the discussion with my grandfather being born in Ohio does not mean I'm claiming that my great grandparents didn't have themselves.

No reasonable person would have made such an inference, and your misunderstanding of the point you're commenting on is just as unreasonable.

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Please dont lie....

I'm not sure why you'd accuse me of lying when I've tried to be polite toward you. I could be impolite and accuse you of being deliberately disingenuous to distract from your inability to respond to my point. Instead I'll try to remain polite by working under the assumption that due to your profound ignorance of the subject - it's not impolite to note that you continue to show you don't really know much about evolutionary biology - you were unable to properly interpret what I wrote.


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Chiroptera
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Message 190 of 404 (806943)
04-29-2017 1:41 PM


This is a response to the following message in another thread: Message 799. I thought this thread would be the appropriate venue for a response.

Then how can you believe in evolution which favours inequality and branching, and superior races and superior people rather than EQUALITY.

Evolutionary biology does not imply different human races are unequal nor that any humans are superior to others. Repeating your misunderstanding over and over will not change that fact.


I believe in a relatively equal society, supported by institutions that limit extremes of wealth and poverty. I believe in democracy, civil liberties, and the rule of law. That makes me a liberal, and I’m proud of it. -- Paul Krugman

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Message 191 of 404 (806951)
04-29-2017 10:01 PM
Reply to: Message 187 by Coyote
04-29-2017 10:19 AM


Re: Branching shows racism
Yes, theres your branching branch which shows evolutionists belief system that chimps and monkeys are supposedly in our ancestry. Branching is proof that evolution teaches inequalities and racism......

And do note that your artists imaginery branching did NOT include the trunk, The branch came out of mid air, when in fact evolution states that there were forefathers or ancestors to the primate branch. Meaning in their delusion or theory, there had to be a precursor, a different mutation that made primates, whether they think its a fish or a mammal, or a bird, or a dinosaur. Primates did not appear out of nowhere as Chir imagaines or as your artists concepts imagines.

Evolutionists have another horrible MISSING LINK and LINKS.

All because they are trying to cover their tails from admitting that evolution is a racist doctrine...... that promotes racism.

IE Your primates are in mid air.....


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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.

.


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Davidjay 
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Message 192 of 404 (806952)
04-29-2017 10:06 PM
Reply to: Message 190 by Chiroptera
04-29-2017 1:41 PM


Evolutionary biology, or theoritical biologist or false scientists, hate to consider the effects of their theories, and pretend that they are just researchers of luck and chance and that their theories have no effect ...... on anything or anybody. They say they make no judgments of the cause and effects of their dementias.

They try to evade responsibility for their theory and their religion, and change it to do just that.

They just provide the background and basis for racism, unawares to themselves or their theory.

Yes, evolutionists are either in a dream world or they intentionally are blind to their casue and effect because their religion is more important than the lives their theory effects and kills.

Love wins, evolution and competition loses.


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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.

.


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Coyote
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Message 193 of 404 (806958)
04-29-2017 10:36 PM
Reply to: Message 191 by Davidjay
04-29-2017 10:01 PM


Re: Branching does not show racism
Yes, theres your branching branch which shows evolutionists belief system that chimps and monkeys are supposedly in our ancestry. Branching is proof that evolution teaches inequalities and racism......

Chimps and monkeys are not in our ancestry. If you could read and not just cough up creationist talking points you would see that these are all descended from common ancestors. Makes a big difference, but you obviously are unable to comprehend it.

And do note that your artists imaginery branching did NOT include the trunk, The branch came out of mid air, when in fact evolution states that there were forefathers or ancestors to the primate branch. Meaning in their delusion or theory, there had to be a precursor, a different mutation that made primates, whether they think its a fish or a mammal, or a bird, or a dinosaur. Primates did not appear out of nowhere as Chir imagaines or as your artists concepts imagines.

There is a trunk at the far left. But if you want another view, here it is:

Evolutionists have another horrible MISSING LINK and LINKS.

Nonsense. Here is a list of transitional fossils for you not to read.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_transitional_fossils

All because they are trying to cover their tails from admitting that evolution is a racist doctrine...... that promotes racism.

You have yet to establish racism. You have made a lot of vacuous claims, but that's normal for creationists. Have any real-world evidence?

IE Your primates are in mid air.....

Only if you are dull enough to miss out on what the theory of evolution actually says, as opposed to the version of the theory that has taken over your fevered mind.

And can't or won't understand the illustrations I have posted.

By the way, you have become a caricature of yourself. A Poe couldn't do any better.


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.

Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.


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Chiroptera
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Message 194 of 404 (806968)
04-29-2017 11:55 PM
Reply to: Message 191 by Davidjay
04-29-2017 10:01 PM


Re: Branching shows racism
Primates did not appear out of nowhere as Chir imagaines...

...or as your Genesis claims.

Edited by Chiroptera, : Corrected tag.


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Chiroptera
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Message 195 of 404 (806969)
04-30-2017 12:09 AM
Reply to: Message 192 by Davidjay
04-29-2017 10:06 PM


Evolutionary biology, or theoritical biologist or false scientists, hate to consider the effects of their theories....

Well, scientists just discover the how the world around us works and hope that people are responsible enough to be able to handle the truth.

Of course, there are people who distort the discoveries of science for less than honorable purposes, but if you'd pay attention the you'd see that scientists make an admirable attempt to correct the errors being made to the public. Not always successfully, but not for lack of trying.

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They just provide the background and basis for racism....

A background and basis that you have so far failed to explain.

Don't worry, Davidjay, I'm pretty patient. As long as you continue to make incorrect statements and baseless claims, I'll continue to correct your errors and point out how you are failing to back up your claims.


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