Atheism Cannot Rationally Explain Morals.

There are plenty of murderers,thieves and rapists, too.

What nonsense.

Do you accept that our minds are capable of both producing and experiencing meaning - regardless of how they came about?

You make an excellent point: Things that are intelligently designed for a purpose can be assigned meaning.

Dredge writes:You seem to have missed my point. I'm not disputing the figures; I was trying to point out how misleading they can be, but you obviously don't get it.

Dredge writes:I'm not interested in your straw man.

there are plenty of non-religious folks who oppose same-sex marriage. Your opinion on the matter is not more valid than theirs and there is no objecitve way of deciding which opinion is correct.

There are plenty of murderers, thieves and rapists too. As a society we don't allow them to continue with their activities because we think there is a moral difference between those that harm others and those that don't......The laws of modern, democratic, secular societies are based on the prevention of harm to its citizens. We decided what behaviours we prohibit based on whether those activities interfere with the well-being of others. With that as the standard we don't need to look to the supernatural.There is no harm caused by two people loving each other so there is no need for laws that would harm them.

I shouldn't kill because it might land me in jail ... I used to drive taxis at night in a large city and at times I really did feel like killing some people.

Humans can and do form their own codes of morality, but it could be anything.

It also makes sense that this God will let humans know what is right and wrong.

Dredge writes:If a human believes that he is created by God, then it makes sense to conclude that the God who made everything and knows everything, will also know what is morally right and wrong, It also makes sense that this God will let humans know what is right and wrong.

Genesis 3 writes:22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil:

Genesis 18 writes:20 And the Lord said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;21 I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.22 And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the Lord.23 And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked?24 Peradventure there be fifty righteous within the city: wilt thou also destroy and not spare the place for the fifty righteous that are therein?25 That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?26 And the Lord said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes.27 And Abraham answered and said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord, which am but dust and ashes:28 Peradventure there shall lack five of the fifty righteous: wilt thou destroy all the city for lack of five? And he said, If I find there forty and five, I will not destroy it.29 And he spake unto him yet again, and said, Peradventure there shall be forty found there. And he said, I will not do it for forty's sake.30 And he said unto him, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak: Peradventure there shall thirty be found there. And he said, I will not do it, if I find thirty there.31 And he said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord: Peradventure there shall be twenty found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for twenty's sake.32 And he said, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak yet but this once: Peradventure ten shall be found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for ten's sake.33 And the Lord went his way, as soon as he had left communing with Abraham: and Abraham returned unto his place.

Their theory states survivl of the fittest, but thats where their brains disconnect, not wanting to admit the destructive effects of the so called fittest, most aggressive races or breeds or mutated humans killing and making extinct other branches of humanity.

Davidjay writes:They go hand in hand, and besides this is an evolutionist board, so the topic and discussion HERE should be about why evolutionists and atheists can not explain morality.

Evolutionists say they do not have social values or social implications to their theory of evolution(SEE Evolution is a racist doctrine)