Atheism Cannot Rationally Explain Morals.

Chir, I see you are again blaming the ever loving Lord for your lack of morality and your not knowing right from wrong. You want HIM to force morality on you like the damnable preachers try to do, rather than leaving morality up to the individuals themselves to choose.You choose Chiur, its your life, quite blaming the Lord or others, come up with a morality and take the responsibility for it. Get mature and get a lifestyle that isnt mere luck and chance theory.We have to ChooseFrom the very beginning in the Garden of Eden, Adam and Eve, our ultimate parents were expected to choose right from wrong,
they had to make decisions one way or the other. Mind you they made a dandy bad one to start, that opened their eyes not to
goodness which they already knew but to the evil they didn't know.Gen 3:22
And the LORD God said, Behold, the man (and woman) is become as
one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put
forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat,
and live for ever:So afterwards, we all by our heritage became sinners by birth, and we must also put forth the effort and now take also of the tree
of life. We have to choose the Lord and choose to be clothed by the Lamb, and we have to choose the Messiah that died for our
sins, or else we die in our sins. It couldn't get any simplier. No one else can do it for us, even the Lord can't do the choosing for us.1John 5:11 And thiis is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He that hath the Son hath
life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.Therefore, we all have to ask to receive, there is no other way, life won't come to you unless you do the asking. You can't have
salvation unless you ask the Messiah for it. For even He saidMathew 7:7
Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find;
knock, and it shall be opened unto you:Mat 7:8
For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh
findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.Life is full of choices and we have to do the choosing and the asking, and the most important one on our journey through life is
whether we want the Lord and want to follow Him. For as Joshua said to the children of israel before they entered into the
promised land.Joshus 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which
your fathers served that were on the other side in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.And we don't have all day or all life to decide as the prophet Elijah said on Mount Carmel. 1Kings 18:21 And Elijah came unto
all the people, and said, How long halt ye between two opinions? If the LORD be God, follow him: but if Baal, (the world, the
devil) then follow him.We have to choose whether we want the Lord or not 2 Corintinians 6:2 For He saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and
in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvationAnd the time is now, and only you can make that decision for you. You are divine because the Lord has divinely given you the
divine right to choose and decide if you want HIM.You have to choose. Do you want Him or Not ?JESUS loves youSincerely
David and JoyHope you have chosen Him, If you want more details about choosing Him
SEE Salvation
Mystery of Life
Holy SpiritDavidjayjordan@yahoo.comFrom WehavetoChooseIm always one step ahead of you, Chir, alwaysYou just havent got any ammo in your gun, or arrows in your quiver.In other words, luck and chance theology has not prepared you for real life.

'Course that had nothing to do with what I said. The "again" part is funny, though. Added by edit:Okay, that's way too funny to not be deliberate.Edited by Chiroptera, : No reason given.

That is a flat-out lie. You should be ashamed of yourself.

David, don't you find that you look fucking stupid preaching about morality when you yourself are such a filthy liar?

You are of the opinion that genocide is immoral, but how can you prove that genocide is immoral? If you can't prove that genocide is immoral, then it's just your opinion verses the opinion of this God.

Well done, Dj; you have pointed out the existential absurdity of naturalistic evolution: A mindless process that relies on the rule of the jungle somehow produces human beings - who don't live by the law of the jungle; a mindless process in which equality has no place somehow produces human beings - who value equality.

How can you "prove" that anything is immoral? Can anyone do that? Atheist, theist or anybody else? Can you prove to me that a given action is immoral?Moral judgements are human decisions. That doesn't mean they can't have a rational basis. In fact, like most decisions, I would argue that moral decisions would benefit from having a rational basis.As someone said previously, in liberal secular societies the rational basis is derived from notions of freedom, harm to others and well-being. I'm not sure which part of that you are failing to grasp?In evolutionary terms - Social beings inclined to act in ways that help the group, and therefore the individuals within it, thrive - Clearly have an advantage.Imagine a pack of individualistic psychopaths in comparison and it's not difficult to see where the evolutionary roots of morality lie. But there is plenty of literature on this sort of thing if you are genuinely interested in the evolution of human morality.

We start by considering whether the arbitrary murder of innocents is a harmful thing to do to people or not. Having noticed that it is, we make a law prohibiting it. Then we take an accused individual to a court of law where a jury decides whether he is guilty beyond reasonable doubt or not.How do you do it? Which god? Which opinion? How do we decide which fabricated god to use for our morality?But just taking this alleged Christian God guy, when he says something that we think is objectively wrong because it causes harm, like keeping slaves, stoning adulterers, killing homosexuals, wiping out tribes....etc etc....incomplete but very long list here:
What are some particularly immoral acts in Bible stories? - QuoraWhat are we supposed to make of it? It's ok because this guy is supposed to be the source of all moral knowledge? He seems evil to me, so I'm terribly confused. Is genocide ok by you when your god does it?

Evolution is not about anything; it is blind, purposeless, mindless and unconscious. Life is a result of sheer, meaningless luck and survival is a result of sheer, meaningless luck. Evolution doesn't care if human beings exist or not. Evolution doesn't care if no life at all exists.Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.

I don't have an issue with that. If you find meaning and happiness in life, good luck to you. If I were an atheist, I would consider life meaningless, morality meaningless and beliefs meaningless and actions meaningless and emotions meaningless.

Wouldn't your god be in the same position as that speculative atheist? It would either have to make up its own meaning, or, to your way of thinking, be meaningless.

Ok so now that you understand that evolution isn't a person or a god or any ither conscious agent that has opinions and feelings, but is instead merely a description of how we've observed that life works, your only problem is how to come to terms with it.At the moment you're making a spectacularly bad job of it - hence all this irrationality.

Now that is a truly rediculous thing to say. Really.I know of no atheists that think that way - none. Have you ever met an atheist? Most of Scandanavia - and northern Europe generally - is atheist and has the highest happiness rating of anywhere on earth.

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Norway has jumped from 4th place in 2016 to 1st place this year, followed by Denmark, Iceland and Switzerland in a tightly packed bunch. All of the top four countries rank highly on all the main factors found to support happiness: caring, freedom, generosity, honesty, health, income and good governance.

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http://worldhappiness.report/...017/03/HR17-ESv2_updated.pdfDo you think those hundreds of millions of people fee that their lives have no meaning? Absurd. Accept the evidence in front of your eyes - you're deceiving yourself.

Which is why everyone here pities you and we hope you get better soon.There are better drugs that will help you more than your chosen drug of religiosity. Edited by jar, : the word "we" somehow got left out.

Thanks for responding, Dredge. Then I guess I don't understand what this whole discussion is about.- You should know better than me about yourself, yet I can't help thinking that you're selling yourself short. From what I can see people are almost always capable of finding meaning in their lives - it's just what they do. There are exceptions, though; maybe you're one of them.Similarly for morals. Humans just seem to do morality; it seems to be part of our nature. People might wonder whether there's any meaning to it, but I think most people can't escape the feeling that certain things are wrong (although it would be different certain things for different people) and act accordingly to the best of their abilities.