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Chiroptera
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Message 241 of 404 (807332)
05-02-2017 10:52 AM


My summary
Well, that's too bad. I was enjoying my Daily Branch.
But since we have to get back to the topic, let me summarize my position:
First, scientific theories are descriptive, not prescriptive. Of course, our beliefs, including what we think is right or wrong, should be based on facts, so that if you make decisions based on the belief that the planets are attached to crystal spheres centered on the earth or that a talking snake tricked some people into eating fruit, then you should probably reconsider how you approach things.
But beyond that, a description about how the world works does not itself have moral or ethical implications. The theory of gravity doesn't imply that I should live in a valley, celestial mechanics doesn't imply I should always be walking in a circle, and the theory of evolution doesn't imply I should have as many children as possible.
Second, evolution itself does not promote racism. In particular, evolution doesn't say that some human branches are superior to others. Evolution explains how the branches that exist came to be. Since it is a fact that humans haven't produced distinct branches, the theory of evolution has nothing significant to say about about human races.
Furthermore, when branches do exist the theory of evolution doesn't make judgements about which branch is superior; it limits itself to explaining why there are branches.

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Message 242 of 404 (807343)
05-02-2017 11:52 AM


How is Evolution Racist?
I am still trying to figure out what makes evolution racist.
Is it the fact that all humans share a common ancestor? If so, then is it racist to say that you share a set of grandparents with your cousins?
Is it the fact that all humans share a common ancestor with apes? If so, then what does the color of your skin have to do with anything? All humans share the very same ape ancestor, black or white. Skin color has nothing to do with it.
Is it the fact that speciation happens (i.e. branching off)? If so, then how can creationists claim that species belong to the same kind that share a common ancestor and not also be racist? Is it racist to say that Chihuahuas and Great Danes share a common wolf ancestor? I am really not understanding this one.
Can Davidjay please explain how any of this is racist?

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Message 243 of 404 (807344)
05-02-2017 11:58 AM
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05-02-2017 11:52 AM


Re: How is Evolution Racist?
I am still trying to figure out what makes evolution racist.
Evolution = bad
Racism = bad
Therefore Evolution = Racism.
/creationist mode

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Davidjay 
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Message 244 of 404 (807459)
05-03-2017 9:01 AM


Evolutionists deny any social responsibility for their luck and chance philosphy and luck and chance biology. They say it is just a little theory of theirs that has no values and makes no judgments, and just happens to eventually branch out life forms from simplier life forms until today complex life forms can just look at bats and other creatures as their ancestors because they have made artists draw trees showing all of life, magically stemming from one living cell (I assume)
But evolutionists are afraid to state this as well, as they only double speak about the BEGINNING. They know laws haven't evolved, and yet believe life once it magically got started, started to evolve from one cell life. They can't explain how big bangs or little bangs or expanding gases made cell walls or mitochondria, etc within a cell.
Because evolutionists only have semantics as their basis, and only have each other for support. They have no math, only archeologists backing up evolutionists and false biologists, because they all make this doctrine of theirs their livlihood or their basis for existence without a DESIGNER. Hence they must fight tooth and nail, any design in any field of science. Their whole house of cards falls if there is design in any area.
All things must be by chance and nothing can be by design. An evolutionist or archelopgist all have to be sold out proponents and advocates of randomness. Randomness just being another word for luck and chance, and NO DESIGN.
Yet obviously intelligence defeats unintelligence (as can be seen HERE)
And obviously design defeats no design (As also can be seen HERE)
Evolution is a racist doctrine of branching... and they deny deny deny deny branching....

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Message 245 of 404 (807464)
05-03-2017 9:22 AM
Reply to: Message 244 by Davidjay
05-03-2017 9:01 AM


Just a note on your first sentence here as I don't have enough time to address your second or subsequent ones.
I think it is important to state that evolution is not the product of luck (ie "a lot of lucky things happened and here I stand") but of selection for fitness. So if a population is well adapted and produces a lot of offspring, it will likely be able to out-compete others who are less well adapted and produce fewer offspring, all things being equal. The well adapted population aren't lucky, per se, they are simply fitter. It is expected that they will be more successful. There is still room for chance and luck, but usually the other way round, that is, a fitter population could, by chance, be wiped out by a cataclysm, and then the less fit population would likely survive. But this effect of chance is contrary to the effect of evolutionary processes.
Secondly, I think it is a big leap to go from "evolution operates without morals" to "people who believe evolution is true operate without morals". If I were to accuse someone who believed in Satan of being without moral fibre purely because they believed in Satan's existence, it would be rightly viewed as a non-sequitur. I think the relationship between evolution and "evolutionists" is effectively the same.

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Message 246 of 404 (807469)
05-03-2017 9:41 AM
Reply to: Message 245 by Tusko
05-03-2017 9:22 AM


Sex evolved ?????????
Hmmm.... sorry I didn't read through your whole response....
as you repeat an evolutionists double speak term when you give divine animation to selection as if it is a God, please read the Thread about your GOD OF SELECTION.
The admin keeps changing titles and switching topics of mine to different sub-boards. But youll see the topic confirmed by me there. Selection by evolutionists is their non random god that magically picks out living adaped creations that exist, and are existing by the Garce and GIFTS of God.
Anyway, you also mention offspring... meaning reproductions of that species usually via sex in more complex organisms.
Please establish how evolution could have ever simulataneously mutated different genders, at the same time magically so they fit together magically and reproduce perfectly as can be seen today.
Did the God of selection, choose one genitalia at a time, or wait millions of years to wait for the other genders genitalia to get its appropriate mutations to get their first born species, or new species as you theorise.
Evolution is a mixed up theory that answers nothing but has double speak and a god of Selection..... Evolution is a racist theory

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
.

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Message 247 of 404 (807471)
05-03-2017 9:53 AM
Reply to: Message 246 by Davidjay
05-03-2017 9:41 AM


Re: Sex evolved ?????????
Davidjayl writes:
Please establish how evolution could have ever simulataneously mutated different genders, at the same time magically so they fit together magically and reproduce perfectly as can be seen today.
Stop posting really stupid comments.
Them what can't fit together don't reproduce and so the buck stops there.
No magic needed.
No creator needed.
No god need apply.
But it's pretty clear you are also clueless about sex. In some species the critters change sex as needed. In most critters there is no such thing as sex or gender. And in the vast majority of cases the pieces parts between the sexes don't fit together at all.
Methods of reproduction are a varied as the organisms themselves. There is no design or intelligence needed. All that is necessary is that it work well enough to reproduce.

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Chiroptera
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Message 248 of 404 (807477)
05-03-2017 10:28 AM
Reply to: Message 244 by Davidjay
05-03-2017 9:01 AM


Repetition is repetitious
Davidjay, if your tactic is to continue to repeat the same assertions over and over until everyone gets tired and stops responding allowing you to "win", this may not work here.
People point out your errors, and rather than respond you merely repeat what you've already said. When people respond with counter-arguments, you ignore them and merely repeat what you've already said.
This tactic won't win debates, and I can't help but wonder whether even your coreligionists view you as a flake.
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Davidjay writes:
Evolution is a racist doctrine of branching...
Just repeating the same thing over and over. The only thing I can do is point out that this has already been addressed: Message 241. You are welcome to discuss those points.

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Message 249 of 404 (807484)
05-03-2017 10:46 AM
Reply to: Message 244 by Davidjay
05-03-2017 9:01 AM


Davidjay writes:
Evolutionists deny any social responsibility for their luck and chance philosphy and luck and chance biology. . .
I see nothing in that post that explains why evolution is racist. Want to take another stab at it?

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Message 250 of 404 (807487)
05-03-2017 10:57 AM
Reply to: Message 248 by Chiroptera
05-03-2017 10:28 AM


Re: .Different confirmations win.
Evlutionists repeat the phrase, you are a liar, liar at me, even as I answer their questions...even as they deflect answering questions themselves.
I win debates by defending my words, and stating them in different ways and from DIFFERENT angles and confirmations.
I always try to bring something to the table, a new truth, a new angle, a new law that concerns the topic.
Evolutionists for the most part are one liners, as all they know is..luck and chance. Although sometimes they get creative and say 'chance and luck, or add in their god of selection.
WE must discuss sexual evolution as mentioned.
It again is another topic to be avoided by evolutionists because again waiting for sexual mutations to make us fit together and reproductive is an evolutionary miracle especially when a mutated mate must wait billions of years for a mutated sexual partner. I quess they have great evolutionary faith... according to the evolutionaries.
Wait for the one liners from evolutionaries to come streaming IN... and OUT and IN and OUT.

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Message 251 of 404 (807490)
05-03-2017 11:04 AM
Reply to: Message 250 by Davidjay
05-03-2017 10:57 AM


Re: .Different confirmations win.
I win debates by defending my words
Then defend your claim of a global flood about 4350 years ago.
You've been dodging, ducking, and weaving for several weeks now, trying to avoid dealing with the evidence I presented.
That won't make the evidence go away. By avoiding the issue YOU LOSE.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.

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Taq
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Message 252 of 404 (807504)
05-03-2017 11:24 AM
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05-03-2017 10:57 AM


Re: .Different confirmations win.
Davidjay writes:
Evlutionists repeat the phrase, you are a liar, liar at me, even as I answer their questions...even as they deflect answering questions themselves. . .
I am still not seeing anything about how evolution is racist.

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Tusko
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Message 253 of 404 (807506)
05-03-2017 11:40 AM
Reply to: Message 246 by Davidjay
05-03-2017 9:41 AM


Re: Sex evolved ?????????
you give divine animation to selection as if it is a God
I suppose you mean people who think evolution is true imbue selection with some kind of mystical power or something? I can't speak for anyone else but I don't think I revere it any more than I revere any other cool mechanism that seems to work, like air hockey tables or cuckoo clocks. Nobody thinks it is sentient. It is just a mechanism.
Please establish how evolution could have ever simulataneously mutated different genders, at the same time magically so they fit together magically and reproduce perfectly as can be seen today.
I don't know how sexual reproduction began. But I don't think anyone argues that it came about by sudden and spontanious compatible penis and vagina mutations in fish or trilobites or something. Sexual reproduction has been about for a very long time, long before complex organisms evolved. I don't find it rouses that much incredulity in me to think of some kind of other reproductive behaviour could evolve into what we see as sexual reproduction.
Edited by Tusko, : No reason given.

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Chiroptera
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Message 254 of 404 (807508)
05-03-2017 11:56 AM
Reply to: Message 250 by Davidjay
05-03-2017 10:57 AM


Still no racism.
I always try to bring something to the table, a new truth, a new angle, a new law that concerns the topic.
Well, sometimes you do introduce a new error. I'll give you that.
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WE must discuss sexual evolution as mentioned.
No, you're not done yet explaining the racism thing. You have yet to explain how evolution is racist.
You went on about "branching", but you've never explained what's racist about branching.
You claimed that evolution labels some branches as superior to others, then you ignored the rest of us pointing out that it doesn't and just repeated your false claim.
Finally, seeing how the current human population shows no branching, you need to explain what any of this has to do with racism.

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Message 255 of 404 (807512)
05-03-2017 1:36 PM
Reply to: Message 250 by Davidjay
05-03-2017 10:57 AM


Re: .Different confirmations win.
WE must discuss sexual evolution as mentioned.
It again is another topic to be avoided by evolutionists because again waiting for sexual mutations to make us fit together and reproductive is an evolutionary miracle especially when a mutated mate must wait billions of years for a mutated sexual partner. I quess they have great evolutionary faith... according to the evolutionaries.
Start a thread on which this is on topic and I'm sure we'll all be happy to destroy your childish gibberish.
Orr, y'know, you could read a book.

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