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NoNukes
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Message 31 of 53 (807377)
05-02-2017 4:51 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Faith
05-02-2017 1:29 PM


Re: Two separate political worlds
Every day I wish I was dead, for at least part of the day after reading the news -- or a political thread at EvC.

I am distressed to read these words. Do you have folks you can share these feelings with?

There is no question that we live in "interesting" times, and that the news is not all that comforting for many of us.

If this isn't yet the official End of Days, how far off can it be?

There is no way to know. According to the Bible, we are asked to live our lives as though they end days might be any day.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith

Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000


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Message 32 of 53 (807378)
05-02-2017 5:50 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Faith
05-02-2017 1:29 PM


Re: Two separate political worlds
For what it's worth Faith, I for one am very glad to see that you are sticking with us.

I too am saddened by the political situation in both our countries, but I strongly believe that most people are basically good. We all, for the most part, want the same things. We just disagree about how to get there. In all the turmoil, it's easy to lose hope in each other. Things can, and may, get a whole lot worse yet, but in the mean time, try not to take it too much to heart, because things can, and will, get better.

Chin up.

Mutate and Survive


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Message 33 of 53 (807380)
05-02-2017 6:00 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Faith
05-02-2017 1:29 PM


Re: Two separate political worlds
Faith writes:

Every day I wish I was dead, for at least part of the day after reading the news -- or a political thread at EvC. I usually find some reason to prefer to stay alive but it's touch and go these days. And I worry about the deluded people too. If this isn't yet the official End of Days, how far off can it be?

The End of Days has been just around the corner for 1500 years now:

"There is no doubt that the Antichrist has already been born. Firmly established already in his early years, he will, after reaching maturity, achieve supreme power."--Martin of Tours, 400 AD

https://en.wikipedia.org/...predicted_for_apocalyptic_events


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Dr Adequate
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Message 34 of 53 (807383)
05-02-2017 6:31 PM
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05-02-2017 1:29 PM


Re: Two separate political worlds
Every day I wish I was dead, for at least part of the day after reading the news --

Meh, Trump's not that bad.


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Message 35 of 53 (807384)
05-02-2017 8:36 PM


The Wall will never get built
There will be prototypes made by various companies. These prototypes will be broadcast by Faux et al as evidence of the wall being built. There may even be an award, or two or more companies will get the job (it's not Trump's money, so this will be extravagant. Trump will probably figure a way to tunnel money to one of his business).

Then the news cycle will proceed to some other item of distraction, and whenever the issue of the wall is raised the footage of the prototype construction will be brought out as evidence. The base will be firmly convinced the construction is proceeding.

Fooled again by the scammer in chief.

Enjoy


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Message 36 of 53 (807385)
05-02-2017 8:40 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by New Cat's Eye
05-02-2017 11:21 AM


Re: Exit polls showed lots of actual voters answering specific policy questions.
quote:

Exit Polls don't tell you the factual situation on what Americans in general think. They tell you what Americans who answer Exit Polls think.

Trump supporters aren't the Exit-Poll type, so I would expect the results to be skewed.


That is indeed the unscientific claim we hear often and I honestly think that you are just teeing up an examination as opposed to expressing your actual conclusion.

Let's put this hypothesis to the test.

Faith, Marc, CatSci, etc. might very well share the same views (assuming Faith hasn't drunk the "Rapture Me Now " fruit punch, and is still with us ) so I suggest we look at the data for each and every state that exit polling data was collected.


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LamarkNewAge
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Message 37 of 53 (807386)
05-02-2017 8:54 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by LamarkNewAge
05-02-2017 8:40 PM


Re: Exit polls showed lots of actual voters answering specific policy questions.
Hypothesis Number One

Donald J. Trump has voters that generally refuse to speak to Exit Poll questioners so they get left out from the surveys and thus the field data for the Exit Polls are wrong and thus the networks place weight on misleading and flat out wrong voter turnout opinion.

The final vote talley will be different from what the Exit Polls showed voters opposed and/or supported and Donald Trump will generally perform better in the actual vote on election day than the election day exit polls showed.

(I personally think this hypothesis will be null once we look at all the states data )


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Faith
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Message 38 of 53 (807388)
05-02-2017 8:55 PM


Sorry, I didn't mean to attract all that attention. Wishing I was dead won't kill me. Unfortunately. Yes I'm very depressed, to my mind realistically. I don't want to drug it away. It is what it is. I hate the opinions here. You shouldn't feel sympathetic for me.

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Message 39 of 53 (807391)
05-02-2017 9:28 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by Faith
05-02-2017 8:55 PM


I thoroughly understand depression. It isn't fun. My counselor tells me that it is human nature to externalize one's own inner stress with the stress of the world in general.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 40 of 53 (807394)
05-02-2017 10:09 PM


Actually we can cover lots of bogus "theories" in this thread.
One so-called theory (which IMO completely skipped the hypothesis staging ground ) is this idea that immigrants committed lots of murders and so many that we should really be scared.

I take this personally since I was born in a city where fully a third are immigrants and a full majority are the children of at least one parent born outside the United States.

We should know that cancer kills 600,000 Americans a year and when you add heart disease to the fatalities, you get 1 million deaths a year in this country from just those 2 diseases.

We know that homicide is a tiny percentage of unnatural deaths per year in this country ( or we should ).

We also should understand that the 9,000 murdered individuals per year in this country is not only an insignificantly miniscule number of deaths (with a super duper low percentage of overall deaths ) but actually they amount to a murder rate per capita that is lower than anytime in any of our lives.

But to the extent that murders being front page news in the Christian Right catering news world ( in America ) is the rule, then I challenge the right wing propagandists to demonstrate that the proportional murder rate from immigrants is higher than the percentage of the immigrant population.

We know that immigrants are a young population group ( and most murders are generally committed by the younger age folk ) but is that even enough to cause us to be able to accurately accuse the immigrants of having a higher murder rate than the overall population?

I personally think immigrants committed so few murders that you will need a microscope to see any real noteworthy homicide numbers.

But let us not be swayed by the personal opinions of anybody.

Immigration critics can make their case once or never?

So far, it is never or at least not yet.

Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.


  
NoNukes
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Message 41 of 53 (807398)
05-02-2017 11:53 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by Faith
05-02-2017 8:55 PM


I hate the opinions here. You shouldn't feel sympathetic for me.

If being here really makes you feel like killing yourself, wouldn't some time away be worth trying? What do you think would go on if you were not here to counterbalance the lefties, liberals, communists, and atheists?


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith

Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000


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LamarkNewAge
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Message 42 of 53 (807399)
05-03-2017 12:25 AM
Reply to: Message 41 by NoNukes
05-02-2017 11:53 PM


On the issue of Faith and what she feels about the future.
Honestly, I think she has been mislead, and she really "hates" a media manufactured version of American history and America today.

We have been tricked into thinking that the historic 1965 immigration laws have led to increased murder rates.

That is distortion enough but the daily media presentation of a never ending blood letting has caused Faith ( and others ) to feel like the murder rate is not only higher than the good old days of the early 60s but even much higher.

Throw in the anti immigration propaganda campaign and then you will in turn have many millions who feel like immigrants have caused the (supposed ) bloody 2010s murder rate to skyrocket to is enormous per capita rate we "suffer from " today.

Faith and Marc9000 are here for clarity and answers.

They sincerely are looking for an obvious path that will efficiently lead us to a better tomorrow.

They don't know that the supposed problem of high murder rates and dangerous immigrants are a con job that they innocently swallowed.

They are innocent IMO.

They honestly bought the lie and simply failed to detect it.

They aren't motivated by genuine hate, but a desire to make for a more peaceful world.

They have bought into lies and it is difficult to accept that those who you have trusted to give you the most "straight scoop", on what troubles us in this admittedly painful world , are part of the problems in this house we all share - Earth.


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Faith
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Message 43 of 53 (807438)
05-03-2017 4:10 AM
Reply to: Message 41 by NoNukes
05-02-2017 11:53 PM


If being here really makes you feel like killing yourself,

I don't "feel like killing myself," Suicide is not an option. Wishing I was dead is a wish. A fantasy about someone knocking at the door and then shooting me dead when I open it. Sometimes it's a prayer that God hasn't answered. I consider this frame of mind to be a sin too, so maybe if I just keep praying He'll take it away.

I really didn't expect all this reaction. I thought I was saying essentially the same thing Marc said about being glad he isn't younger. But I see how it's different now.

wouldn't some time away be worth trying?

I've taken time off from EvC, it makes no difference. I would really have to be dead not to have to deal with these things. And of course it's other things as well anyway.

But thanks for everybody's concern.

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NoNukes
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Message 44 of 53 (807439)
05-03-2017 4:26 AM
Reply to: Message 43 by Faith
05-03-2017 4:10 AM


I don't "feel like killing myself," Suicide is not an option.

Okay. I see the difference.

Wishing I was dead is a wish.

A fantasy about someone knocking at the door and then shooting me dead when I open it.

That still sounds pretty awful. Prayer does seem like a good idea.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith

Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000


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NoNukes
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Message 45 of 53 (807440)
05-03-2017 4:28 AM
Reply to: Message 42 by LamarkNewAge
05-03-2017 12:25 AM


Re: On the issue of Faith and what she feels about the future.
Honestly, I think she has been mislead, and she really "hates" a media man

There are times when falling silent is better than any response you or I could ever make.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith

Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000


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