Science is Revealed Truth

Forget about the followers and trying to blame the followers. GO TO THE SOURCE... Quite looking for excuses, find the author, find the Saviour if there is one, and stop being so hesitant and wary....and immobilized by fear.You can do it privately, none of the other atheists and evolutionists have to know you prayed or sought the Lord, or asked for guidance or TRUTH, you can save face. No one needs to know, it can be a secret between you and the Lord. You dont have to grandstand or make a show of your answer seeking, just do it secretly and privately.If Jesus doesnt reveal himself to you, so be it. You have the excuse you always wanted, rather than your half hearted complaints, excuses, denials, half truths and so called unanswered questions. Just be honest and go for it.

Yes, try and prove true science.All truths are incorporated in true science... All as in all.Just because evolutionists and atheists can not find a truth, doesnt negate a truth or the TRUTH.Just because some have partial truths doesn;t negate the fact that all truths are interconnected, and that one truth leads to another truths or multiple truths.Isolated truths are hardly true, unless ina disjointed world as with atheists and evolutionists. For evolutionists say their theory only applies to living species that supposedly evolve via so called beneficial mutations. Thats isolationism, and they say their theory has no application in any other field of science.AGREED their theory of luck and chance is just a theory and not a law, because a law would have implications and effects in all fields of science and be an integral part of all SCIENCE.Evolution and atheism can not be tested, we can;t wait a billion years to find out if humankind advances and mutates to a new more viable different species. Evolution is not science, it can not be tested.Christianity can, try it and test it as mature adults or as mature children, for out of the mouth of babes and sucklings THOU has ordained truths.Anyone can try and test out spirituality and science.

How true, evolution only exists in the minds of its believers, despite their being a lack of evidence, missing links, no math, no social conscience, no ancestors......This their religion, and usually like all other religions because it has never been proven..as the religious seldom put their theory to the test, and prove their doctrine by doing what the science or religion or TEACHER (Jesus) said to do.Evolution can not be tested as mentioned, it is a mere theory that is not a law... even though the double speakers say its a theory that deals with the laws..even though on other threads it is absolutely proven that laws do not evolve and evolution never evolved any laws.So you have to be a real scientist to see into the invisable world, you have to go beyond mere human eyesight vision boundaries and into the 69/70th world of science and spirituality. Gutless scientists are afraid, real scientists venture forth...... without crying liar liar liar. Real scientists search for truths rather than believing on convenient theories that match their mindset or belief system.

Under your definition then the theory of Creation which is explaining via design and facts and evidences is true science and explains all laws, should therefore be promoted to a LAW.(SEE did Evolution evolve laws THREADI agree !!!WE have agreement. Creationism is not a theory but a LAW. It explains the creation of laws and the theory of the species, and interactions between them and the laws of the Universe.But evolutionists believe what they want to believe despite the facts..... and they cry foul if someone doesn;t believe like they believe... and they complain and complain, and complain.Science sees the invisable and has explanations for the invisable, beyond I am blind and can not see beyond my human eyesight.Oh test and see that the Lord is good, or Taste and see that the Lord is good.

No spirituality is invisable and true science knows that forces and the unseen world or micro-cosm exists even when us , humans can not see it, and are blind to it. True scientists and physicists study the unseen world or spiritual world.... and look for observed facts and determine laws and relationships....etc etc..Spiritual just means beyond normal limited bounded human eye sight... real scientists study more than just with their eyes... do note that centuries ago they started using microscopes, and more advanced instruments than mere eye glasses.So forget false scientists who try to negate anything they cant see as they have hodden motivation into staying blind and being blind.Truth always defeats liesOpenness and honesty always prevails over fear and closedmindedness.. always.

All science is about discoveries of what already exists. Science does not invent, it only sees and studies and understands what was originally created. Unproven myths and theories are not deemed science just because a lot of people want them to be so.If evolutionists were sure of their belief system they would not be afraid of discussing their history or origins, whether Darwin or any other previous observer observations. This because we cant say scientists because evolution can;t be tested, cant be proven through math, and cant be proven in any other way, other than faith.See and study the concept of discovering laws and not theories on theories on theories.****************************************In understanding Messianic scriptures, its almost absolutely essential to understand that the LORD is our Creator, and not
damnable evolution, random chance, or uncontrolled big bang chaos. Because true science equates to true religion, as Einstein
proved, and it is totally complimentary to have some knowledge about not only the Lord's Creation, but all the other truths
from economics, history, biology, politics, etc etc in whatever field. For what, we all have to learn originally is that: there is no
truth unknown by the Lord for He created all truths for He is the truth (Jn 14:6). For even when the evil angels after
rebelliously went ahead and mated with the daughters of men, and then disclosed the secrets of the Lord (Gen 6 , Book of
Enoch), they were merely stealing this information for their own twisted perversions and greed. We don't have to be afraid of
science only aware of their misuse of the Lord's power.For it doesn't take too much intelligence to realize that knowledge of genetics and the DNA double helix, will be misused by
immoral scientists in their naive morality and so-called good intentions of cloning and searches for eternal life. For sometimes
unbeknown to them, they are bing lead by an anti-christ spirit by attempting to recreate that which was perfect from the
beginning. But it isn't true knowledge that is evil, as we are directed by the Lord to love him with all our MINDS as well as our
hearts, besides studying to show ourselves approved unto the Lord of Lords, it is the evil use and twisting of God's truth that
is evil. This is what happened in the very Garden of Eden with the Serpent twisting God's directions.Matter of fact, the Lord chides us into at least being as wise as the lying, tricky Serpent. For the Lord's people don't have to be
dumb sheep, but should be able to forsee the evil (Proverbs) and to shine like the stars with wisdom. (Daniel 12:3) So we don't
have to honour man and his so-called high technology, for even by using this computer we are not using the inventions of man
or the Devil's principles but the qualities of the organized, and orderly creation of jewels or crystals created by the LORD. The
damnable Devil has never created anything or had an original thought himself, he is merely a counterfeiter and usurper who
wants to steal the glory and beauty of God to direct it either to him or even more insanely to us, fallible humans.Crystals retain the light or energy or electricity put into them, they resonate this vibration and therefore remember, or almost
have a consciousness of the past that can be accessed which is what makes computers able to function. This isn't a new
discovery of man, but the very essence of the Lord's floor under His throne, the shape of His New Jerusalem , and the walls of
the truly eternal kingdom with its crystalline jewels. (Revelations, Ezekiel, etc. etc.)The shape of a quartz crystal brings on the power because of its design of the Designer not because of insane science, for there
is nothing new under the Sun as Solomon said. This design pattern was from the beginning, not some invention of the present.
For just as Lucifer was just a mere creation of the King of Kings, and was suppose to be only a Bearer of the light, like a
reflective resonating crystal, so Nature is merely a reflection of the Beauty and Order of Creation and NOT a GOD
independent of YHWH For again, Satin is NOT worthy of FEAR, Respect, or Honour, He is Not the light even though he
pretends to be. For there is no GOD, besides the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, as they are One. For as Jesus, the true Messiah
said, "I AM the LIGHT", not just the visible light, the one octave of the 70 octaves of electromagnetic energy, but ALL the
light. All the vibrations, there is nothing beyond Him, nothing that happens without his permission, in the physical world or
the coexisting spiritual demension proven by Einstein.Therefore we have nothing to Fear from damnable science, and their damnable eventual leader even when he possesses the
body of the Anti-Christ. For even though the Evil One may honour the God of forces or fortresses, (Dan 11) as the LORD
said in Isaiah, No Weapon (of false science) that is formed against the shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against
thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of th LORD and their righteousness is of ME,(not of
ourselves), saith the LORD. (Isa.54:17)If we get these basic concepts established in our heads and hearts, and actually have a personal contact with the Creator then
we can have the discernment to decipher the truths of science and lies of false science, the truths of open knowledge and the
esoteric. We have nothing to be afraid of. For in this light, we can then explore and understand the New Age fascination with
pyramids, and how its golden section or divine proportion relates to crystals, and how this same pattern was used for our
Creation in His image. They have stolen the glory of God, it is our duty to return it to Yeshua who deserves the credit and the
glory and the honour. For when we realize that we are beautifully made from the hand of the living God, it makes us more
inclined to serve Him with all our heart, soul and mind. IMODon't you think?In His ServiceDavid Jay Jordan

As mentioned truths exist and have not evolved and have been HERE from Genesis. Sceintists can onyl discover what is and has alaways been there.***************************************Understand this principle, study it, and know it, so that you dont worship science or present day scientists, ot get tripped off into false science and theories on theories******************************************Stolen Information, Inventions and CreativityMan in his pride, seems to think that he in his mind has created a whole new "High Technology" that will
elevate him to some new 'god' like status. He believes he is creating new inventions and new technologies that
will deliver him from his own destructions.But wait a minute, this is in direct contradiction to the Eternal Biblical principle that "There is no new thing
under the Sun". Because the two can't be simultaneously true, one has to be a lie and the other truthful.So let's to get a few things straight to start with to find out the truth. For what is the explosion of knowledge
right now anyway, except the revealing of eternal laws and truths and principles that have always been. There
is no new physical or spiritual laws that are being created only the discovery of what has already existed from
the Creation of the Universes. No new invention creates any new laws., they only use what has already been
created.Does man create matter? Well Yes, he does for micron seconds. His elements beyond the Lord's 92, do exist in
a flash of an eyelid and less, until they disintegrate. But nothing man creates lasts. This is why he is just a re-
combiner of life and the materials of life. But he is not the Creator.Does he create life in a test tube? Yes but No, . ..because he just takes living matter, or a living egg and a
living sperm and mates them artifically into life. Only the Lord of Lords and King of Kings has ever created
LIFE. For He (Jesus) even said, "I am the way, the TRUTH, and the LIFE. (John 14:6). Man only
recombines life and alters what has already been created. And usually it will turn into disaster. For is this not
what cloning is also about? Isn't man just taking living cells and replicated them in their earlier embryonic
stages as to try and form a new life from the old?Man can't create life, as any married couple knows. All they do is pass on the life they have been given
through sexual reproduction and recombination of their seed or DNA. Nothing has evolved because all things
were designed to be harmonic from the start.(SEE Creation versus Evolution Board)I mean where did the knowledge come from originally. Did mankind think it up, or did it come from the Spirit
World. You guessed it, for if you read Genesis 6, the evil angels that mated with the daughters of men, didn't
think up their knowledge but got it from the Lord's spirit world which was created by the Lord. These evil
angels just twisted these truths for their own evil ends which brought on more pain and suffering to mankind.For instead of using knowledge for good, these evil entities used the knowledge for evil and for warfare. For if
you even look around today most of man's greatest technologies are again being used for the development of
warfare or for the collection of material wealth for a few rather than the majority.There has been no new created laws by man, he has had no real new inventions? I mean I got a patent for a
'floating flyhook' but was it really an invention? No. I just used the laws that were already there. I didn't create
the fish, or the water, or the physical laws that made the hook's motion attractive to the fish, the Lord did. I
just used the Creations of the Lord and the created LAWS of the Law for the worthy purpose of tricking the
fish . Ha.So there is no new invention under the Sun after all, as the wisest man in the world noted (King Solomon).
For even computers which are advancing the new technology didn't create itself but was only possible because
of the absolutely amazing properties of crystals involved in storing data via its memory resonance. Man didn't
create the crystalline shape or properties of the crystals. He is just using them for his own purposes. The
Lord knows all about crystals and memory, and computers, He has every word and every action on His
database from the very beginning. There is no knowledge, he is unaware of. He knows it ALL, and has heard
every lie as well, from the creator of lies, Satan. And the only time the devil says any truth is to give credence
to his up-coming lie.The Devil only steals the Lord's truths and knowledge in an attempt to give credence to his Lies, for he is the
father of lies and was such from the very beginning. For if you study the truth (which comes from the Lord
and from a healthy fear of the Lord), you start to realize that any real truth is an eternal truth that is timeless,
and not merely temporal. And so once again, you'd have to admit that All truths have always been true and
always existed in the Spiritual Plane even if we are just discovering them personally ourselves.For he that seeketh findeth and he that asketh truth from the truthgiver (Jesus) shall be given the truth

Science was created by the Creator not by scientists, they only discover what wass created. This we already proved in the thread Did laws evolve' and the answer was NO. Laws did not evolve.Science is truths, theories are mere theories of people trying to find a truth, or in evolutionists case, evolutionists trying to support their religion.Evolution can not be tested. The bones do not show beneficial mutations, let alone beneficial whole systems evolving into being replacing older human bodily systems or inscet systems, or bat systems, or seal systems etc etc...Evolution can not be tested by its very theoretical design. It answerrs no questions except allowing other theories to develop from their first theory, or other definitions or semantics to cover up for the original theories gapping holes and missing links and truths.Jesus can be tested, spirituality can be tested, and proven to the person testing it. They can KNOW, whereas the gutless ones who only theorise can only complain about those that have tested and proven whether there is a spiritual world and whether there is a JESUS.SEE next reply

The cowardly sit on the fence and never test out truths, they follow the crowd and majority opinion and what is indocrinated into them at schools and universities. The gutless ones, know who controls their pay checks and follow what theory they are told is true, as long as they get their archelogical check, and teaching check etc etc...Real Scientists and real searchers test out spirituality and JESUS according to real life personal experiences. Thats how they KNOW !!Jesus said to do it... Do His will, follow his instructions and do it to find out.John 7:17John 7:17King James Version (KJV)
17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.Whoosies theorise, real people test and verify...Jesus is testable, Jesus' principles are testable.Evolutions theories are detestable and untestable !Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.

Brethren and non brethren..... I am not the subject here. Using this thread on science as a vechicle to release your frustrations at losing this debate and others is not honourable, You are tyrying to turn a objective debate into a low class subjective debate. Please follow the rules of engagement, and stay or try to be objective and real scientists.If you are intelligent and educated, use your so called intelligence and education to beat my intelligence and education BOTH in the real world and in the educational field called science.For it seems you have no arrows in your quills, and no sense to your arguments, and no class in your responses.Intelligence and class always wins, show some.ThanksDavid

Taq, how convenient that you try to change the topic and away from the deplorable remarks of your evolutionists.Please stay on topic and not clog this thread with your side topic.... also it gives room for their apologies for their deplorable slurs.Please read and studyAtheists and Evolutionists have no morality thread

Spiritality is testable, as I mentioned. Jesus is testable as I mentioned, the invisable can be tested.And evolution can not be tested, only theorised. You can try to make new artistic graphs, and suggest bone A fits into Bone B, but suggestions and quesses are not proofs.But I must give you a chance, please show your test results..... of evolutionists trying to support other evolutionists.Did you test my exact methods in finding out truths about the invisable spiritual world, using the experimental scientific method I gave, so you can KNOW for sure...from personal experience.

Ive been trying to get one of the basic questions of evolution answered HEREIN, and thought I had finally got evolutionists out of their shells to answer, where mankind came from. What branch did we come from ? Who was our ancestor ?So as revealed truth..... it seemed three different people stated the same sort of slippery answer. Can we through the scientific method of science discern this answer of theirs..FromEvC Forum: Evolution is a racist doctrine Evolutionists usually say I misunderstand and that only evolutionists understand evolution. But isn;t Coragyp saying that
Eurachonta is our ancestor... but its long extinct and probably has no verification in bones opr fossils, but it was our ancestor.. according to the theory of evolution.So this mysterious non existant clade of Euarchonta... is suppose to be our ancestor....... and bats also arose from this clade or branch, as evolution branched out.This making bats not our ancestor but branching out from this mysterious forefather of ours that went extinct, yet branched out into humans and bats afterwards. Bats are therefore our cousins and uncles but not our forefathers and grandparents.I think I understand the dementia now that evolutionists were trying to explain, a non existing extinct forefather of ours also called a missing LINK) created us and bats.And as a non evolutionist I am suppose to just accept this, without question. No wonder their double speak wording eluded me.Nah, I still dont think this is scientific and revealed truth.Do you think its revealed truth ?PS) I apologise sort of to all those that I may have referred to as bat people, when apparrently, bats are our cousins and nephews and not our forefathers. The wierd branching threw me off and your explanations and family tree was way to far fetched for me.And Ive learned not to invite my cousins to live in our attic.

Evolutionists run when asked a question, so try to attack as they have no answers in defense of their theory... so lets try to bring them out of the bushes again...... because revealed truth in science is testable and verifiable. So lets verify 'Euarchonta' because many or most say we humans came from Euarchonta....But then they say, this missing link is extinct.So can we test this theory of theirs... ? Yes or NO, or is it just a wild hope and quess, and pure fiction.The answer is

So X, were treeshrews our ancestors ? as the others have mentioned..I say our ancestors were human, and so who do you say our ancestors were ?Please no semantics or lengthy double speak, just a straight forward answer would suffice