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Tanypteryx
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Message 646 of 1352 (807620)
05-04-2017 11:44 AM
Reply to: Message 636 by edge
05-03-2017 5:42 PM


Re: The Flood Explains the Cratonic Sequences. Basins are a joke
Faith writes:
I've had enough. Communication with you is impossible. I'm not interested in your little snarky remarks or any of the rest of it. Far as I can see the Flood explains it all just fine.
And I'm not thrilled with you calling my arguments fraudulent. So we are even.
I just wanted to thank you for hanging in here, despite Faith's arrogant rudeness. Her lack of self-awareness is amazing and frustrating.
I have learned a lot and generally find your explanations quite comprehensible. This discussion of basins made things click onto place for me.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Message 647 of 1352 (807624)
05-04-2017 11:52 AM
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05-04-2017 11:15 AM


Re: The Flood Explains ... most things geological
The same way you get dead dinosaurs or dead trilobites in various strata. They were carried in the Flood and deposited in that particular layer.
Perhaps then you have evidence that intact lava flows were transported over long distances to their present locations in the strata. Perhaps you have some idea how certain volcanic structures such as calderas and volcanic vents were preserved during transport to the Jurassic System.
Now, of course, you aren't just talking about some volcanic rocks, you are talking about lava flows which is something else. My guess would be that they are sills that pushed into the Jurassic strata at the end of the Flood, but just a guess of course. There's evidence of post-Flood volcanoes, in the Grand Canyon, Grand Staircase area in particular, which was part of earlier arguments on this subject. And I'm sure you will agree that whether or not I can offer the evidence you want proves nothing about the Flood.
It's not a time period.
Whatever you say, Faith.
Do take it to heart, it will change your life for the better.
it's a flat slab of rock found among other flat slabs of rock all over the world is the proof that it's not a time period, it's a slab of rock that was originally a layer of wet sediment laid down in the Flood. A volcano won't fit there.
Except where they do fit in.
Which is nowhere in a flat slab of rock.
And, perhaps to you, it's just a 'flat slab of rocks', but the observations say differently. There are processes, compositions and textures that have meaning.
With about the same degree of objective value as reading tea leaves. The human mind is marvelous when it comes to putting together disparate objects to create meaning. A fossilized bone buried in a slab of rock among fossilized plants becomes evidence of a creature that roamed around in a world that contained those plants instead of evidence of a dead animal and dead plants buried in mud. Ripples caused by wind on a still-wet deposit of the Flood become a beach. Marvelous imagination.
Yeah this thread is done, I just had some mopping-up thoughts.
Yeah, there could be a lot to mop up if one is interested.
My attention span isn't too good at the moment.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 648 of 1352 (807625)
05-04-2017 11:54 AM
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05-04-2017 10:35 AM


Re: The Flood Explains ... all kinds of things geological
Faith writes:
The mountains formed after the Flood.
You're contradicting the Bible.

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Message 649 of 1352 (807628)
05-04-2017 12:04 PM
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05-04-2017 11:15 AM


Re: The Flood Explains ... most things geological
And just to amplify on an idea that came up earlier about compaction, here is an image of a section through the Hermit/Coconino contact showing mudcracks in the red Hermit Shale filled by sand from the overlying Coconino Sandstone. I've been looking for this image for days now.
Notice the 'lightning bolt' shape of the cracks as they were compressed by the weight of overlying sediments.
Notice also the wavy nature of the contact as there were slight variations in pressure exerted on the underlying shale.
As I recall, a British team of creationists were studying just this phenomenon a few years ago. I forget their purpose, something to do with earthquakes as I vaguely recall, but all such communications between "time periods" are much better evidence for the Flood. But in any case if you are implying that I say that the contacts between layers are ALWAYS tight, you're wrong. Just that their existence at all is evidence against time periods and for the Flood.
And here is another item that I thought might be of interest to some before the thread dies. This is a schematic of how many lithological contacts occur. While the differing compositions are clear, it is not clear where to draw the contact as it would appear on a map. Would it be at the first shale or at the last sandstone layer?
The very existence of such a contact that intersperses the sediments of different "time periods' is evidence against them. Tight contacts, muddy eroded contacts, interspersed sedimentary layered contacts -- none of it is evidence for time periods, but good for the Flood.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 650 of 1352 (807629)
05-04-2017 12:07 PM
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05-04-2017 11:54 AM


Re: The Flood Explains ... all kinds of things geological
Not if you had half a clue to the whole context, but I'm not going to take the time to fill you in right now.

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Message 651 of 1352 (807631)
05-04-2017 12:11 PM
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05-04-2017 12:07 PM


Re: The Flood Explains ... all kinds of things geological
Faith writes:
Not if you had half a clue to the whole context, but I'm not going to take the time to fill you in right now.
There's nothing in the Bible that remotely backs up your wild-ass claim of mountains forming after the Flood. It's something you MADE UP out of whole cloth.

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Message 652 of 1352 (807632)
05-04-2017 12:11 PM
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05-04-2017 11:44 AM


Re: The Flood Explains the Cratonic Sequences. Basins are a joke
That's one of the rudest stupidest posts I've ever read.

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Message 653 of 1352 (807633)
05-04-2017 12:13 PM
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05-04-2017 12:11 PM


Re: The Flood Explains ... all kinds of things geological
It fits the geological evidence and it doesn't contradict the Bible.

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Message 654 of 1352 (807636)
05-04-2017 12:16 PM
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05-04-2017 12:13 PM


Re: The Flood Explains ... all kinds of things geological
Faith writes:
It fits the geological evidence and it doesn't contradict the Bible.
It DOESN'T fit the geological evidence, as this thread shows.
And "not contradicting the Bible" is an extremely low standard. Gigantic alien helicopters dropping the mountains into place last Thursday wouldn't contradict the Bible either. That doesn't give you an excuse to make stuff up.

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Message 655 of 1352 (807637)
05-04-2017 12:18 PM
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05-04-2017 12:16 PM


Re: The Flood Explains ... all kinds of things geological
It fits the geological evidence which has been argued on other threads It's all about the timing of the continental split and tectonic pressures. You speak from arrogant ignorance.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 656 of 1352 (807638)
05-04-2017 12:19 PM
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Re: The Flood Explains ... all kinds of things geological
Faith writes:
It fits the geological evidence which has been argued on other threads.
You have failed miserably in EVERY thread to back up your fantasies.

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Message 657 of 1352 (807639)
05-04-2017 12:20 PM
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Re: The Flood Explains ... all kinds of things geological
I've proved the Flood over and over and over.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 658 of 1352 (807640)
05-04-2017 12:22 PM
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05-04-2017 12:20 PM


Re: The Flood Explains ... all kinds of things geological
Faith writes:
I've proved the Flood over and over and over. Not to arrogant ignoramuses of coursel
Funny how WORKING geologists are arrogant ignoramuses and you, who know nothing about geology, are the only one who understands.

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Message 659 of 1352 (807641)
05-04-2017 12:26 PM
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05-04-2017 12:22 PM


Re: The Flood Explains ... all kinds of things geological
I called YOU that, not the Geologists. I never said they know NOTHING about Geology. I get what I know from them, after all, when they are able and willing to be articulate and communicative, which is not always. But they know a lot, just not the crucially most important things, so their information needs adjustment. But I get my main information from a better source you see.

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Message 660 of 1352 (807642)
05-04-2017 12:30 PM
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05-04-2017 12:26 PM


Re: The Flood Explains ... all kinds of things geological
Faith writes:
I called YOU that, not the Geologists.
I am not plural. And it's the geologists that you're disagreeing with.
Faith writes:
But they know a lot, just not the crucially most important things, so their information needs adjustment.
That's like telling the pilot of the plane that his information needs adjustment.
Science is self-adjusting. YOU are the last person on earth to be making the adjustments.

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