Discuss the origins of EVOLUTION

Because of its great importance to this debate, we should begin with evolutions beginning. Lets study, and research and discuss when the idea of evolution first started. Was it with Darwins observational theory, or did it come before to different scientists or religionists in the past.Lets make it an OPEN DISCUSSION, where evolutionists can come and discuss evolution's HISTORY. WE have discussed Creations exact history since its GENESIS, so why not in fairness allow the evolutionists to have equasl time in the Sun, to study, research and discuss their history of evolution.SincerelyDavid

This thread proposal involves, the history of evolution doctrine. When did it start historically ? It covers the theories originaters and proponents from the Beginning, just as with the Creation History that we have gone over.Science is laws, but evolution is still a theory, so you can place it where you like. I am just proposing this much needed subject and topic.This is a chance for evolutionists to declare and state their origins of their theory, and stand behind it and explain it in a reasoned descriptive way. They can choose to say it started with Darwins observations on the Species, or previous observations from previous viewers or theorists. Its their chance to lead, and to direct the past into the present and onto the future.... but HEREIN, lets hear what they have to say about their HISTORY of Evolution....Good debates involve both sides answering questions about their claims or statements or History or Origins.... I or we answered, so why not give evolutionists a chance to explain their side of their theory.

But Admin, my thread... EvC Forum: Numerological Arguments that the Speed of Light was Designed was very well explained..... I have explained the math, and answered honest questions, as I go onward in explaining how light speed is by Design.Posting explanations 36 times, and answering replies 22 timesDavidjay 36 22/49 FetchBesides giving about five hyperlinks from my math work, which in themselves also contain further explanatory articles via hyperlinks.An evolutionist has no math, and so might have a lot of difficulty understanding math, that I presented. Besides if evolutionists agreed with me, and these facts of distance and time and SPEED, they would have to stop being evolutionists. And as that is very very rare, the rejection by evolutionists can not be a deciding factor as to the validity of the thread.So they need not worry about starting a new TOPIC called the Origin of Evolution, or the Origin of the Species, or the History of Evolution.They should understand and be able to explain their beginnings. Lets all do the research and discuss it like mature adults and mature researchers.I have never written anything on this before, so we start afresh on all sides. An OPEN DISCUSSION, open research on evolution, history, and origin.Evolutionists can discuss it among themselves, I and others can enter IN, and they can answer queries as to their beginnings or the beginning of their theory. Did it just start with Darwin, or did their history go back further /These kind of questions are VALID, INTERESTING, and NEEDED.Evolutions need a chance to explain their origins.Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.

Agreed, I love discussions..... debate...and stimulating the mind

Phat, you have to get beyond exact math that proves design.... this topic is about the History of Evolution, the Origin of Evolution.... its not about exact dating, its about people and places and concepts.Its not for me, to start and finnish off evolutionary theory, its evolutionists BIG CHANCE to state what they believe and stand behind it or explain it to readers.They write way too many one liners, and attacks but never state anything themselves. They are very fearful of saying anything about anything, as their modus operandi is usually just attack the messenger rather than the message.So lets give them an opportunity ina FREE SPEECH OPEN FORUM, to explain and defend their origins and history.Its a history thread, a back to the Origins thread.Its not my thread, its their thread...... good for the goose good for the gander... I might ask them a few questions, if they come out and state something and ask them to prove it or clarify it.I wont ask any math questions, as they evade math and seemingly dont know math. Not a problem, well keep the science of math, out of the discussion. Its their turn in a two way debate.... they need to learn to state something and then defend something... sort of like a teaching debate school.So lets start at the beginning of Evolution, was it started solely by Darwin, how and why..or were their past forefathers of the theory of evolution before Darwin. Its a History Thread..Let the History begin or unfold.... lets give evolutionists a chance, lets hear them out, lets let them tell their side of their story.The layman reader wants to know from them.... its important, its fundamental, its basic, its the Origin of Evolution.

If evolutionists state that evolution started with Darwins observations and then possible insight into the 'origin of different species' then lets study and research what led him to his theory.If it started with previous scientists or biologists or observers... let them be stated and lets study their history and why they came up with their theory.Lets get back to the beginning of the concept of evolution. Not in years, or billions of years... not mathematically but in personages and real people that first developed the idea or came up with the idea.History is a part of science, true history is scientific and we can surely discuss it as it so needed for either believers or non believers to discern from and make a better choice concerning.Nothing is more important than discovering the BEGINNING, as all other discussions would stem from this original discussion.Evolutionists need a chance to participate in this origin of evolution, OR research it and find out about the first believers in thier theory and what it was based on.Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.

Im saying the exact same thing an evolutionist Therebedragons....... stated in His proposed and proomoted thread HERE..... He stated So why cant the same standard be applied to evolutionists giove them a chance to explain their theory and origin and history. Good for the goose, good for the gander. fairness, equality and an honest debate with the same rules applying.The thread against creationism is called 'Does the creation model fit the facts' or something similiar.Here it is... EvC Forum: Can the creationist model explain the data?Let evolutionists have the chance to speak up about their theory, and explain its origins.Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.

And my proposal was put forward three days before his proposal challenge or invitation was put into words.Hence possibly using my proposal as his template idea. Yet his was chosen to be promoted. Therefore logically and fairly I would assume my proposed title, which is absolutely primary to the discussion of evolution, should be promoted as a THREAD TOPIC..IMOWahts your decision ?IHSDavid

You mean, I wont agree with creationists. This I usually dont do unless they have spoken a fact or a truth or a law. I always discuss, even in the light of their subjective slurs against me, as I dont spam but hit the topic from different angles until a debate victory is ensured.As for debunking the god of evolution, I have done that successfully....as can be3 noted THEREIN.But Yes, you do confirm that Therebedragons got a new proposed topic, via my original topic procedure, if not you would have stated so. Hence your denial of my topic proposals seem to stem ONLY on my disagreement with accepting evolutionary facts and theories as law.I can understand that, as you are an evolutionist. Not a problem. Your choice and your responsibility as mentioned.

Percy, your evolutionists are out of control in their character assasinations, especially today. So do get them under control and bark at them. ..... This rather than blaming me for their breaking of the rules. I try to get the opposition objective rather than their disgusting subjective slurs against me.Uphold a standard and keep it. Percy. ((What I have just said and stated, I can show exactly via thread hyperlinks and exact quotes by your evolutionists today. Why because the times are there and their words are there, even if they try and EDIT them out. So sorry Percy, my words are true and their words are evidence against them and this discussion board. Uphold the rules and be fair as the Lord is fair for all of us)I always reinforce what I state with further comments and objective science, and logic. I dont use one liners in frustration as do the evolutionists do, when people arent forced into compliance by their onslaughts of subjective slurs.Give the evolutionists a chance to discuss their origins of their theory. Note how they almost always refuse to discuss the topic or any topic unless they are talking about their bones and artistic imaginations.....You can put the topic in any sub board you choose.Give them a chance... or allow yourself room to explain your theory.Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.

Which guideline did I break ?

1. I do and have, except when the moderator wants me to agree with the opposition that only posts subjectiuve slurts rather than discussing the topic2. I always stay on topic, except when answering the numerous questions that evolutionists demand to be answered.... I always try to tell them or warn them to get back on topic....see my posts.4. I always support my claims and facts with hyperlinks and googles and articles and common sense, from different angles. This my weakened debate opposition deems spams as they have no answers in reply.8. I dont misrepresent, even though evolutionists are soooo tight lipped about their own theory and never discuss the implications or details of their theory.10. Yes I consistently warn them agains calling me names and their character assasinations against me. But they consistently get away with such defamation, which encourages them to continue.Please see and read my posts, and my continuing messages to try to get the debaters on the opposition under control.... Thanks.The proof is in my writings !Now lets discuss the origins of Evolution, as that is a very BASIC starting point for any discussion on the theory of Evolution. If there is anything evolutionary students should have learned its their own history.Lets ground them in their belief system or give them a chance to question their beginnings..... lets trust them to have some discernment rather than demanding that evolution history is useless and of no value.