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Coyote
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Message 508 of 1352 (806288)
04-24-2017 11:09 AM
Reply to: Message 507 by Davidjay
04-24-2017 11:00 AM


Re: Nonsense again
Creation wins again.
The reason you can claim "creation wins again" is you are ignoring all the evidence and posts that show your claims and beliefs are wrong.
Creation "science" as usual, eh?

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.

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Coyote
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Message 511 of 1352 (806293)
04-24-2017 11:30 AM
Reply to: Message 509 by Davidjay
04-24-2017 11:20 AM


Re: Nonsense again
Explain your no flood theory...
I posted evidence and you ignored it, as usual.
But then we all know you're preaching rather than debating, and that you have no answer to the evidence we present.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.

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Message 516 of 1352 (806347)
04-24-2017 9:09 PM
Reply to: Message 509 by Davidjay
04-24-2017 11:20 AM


Re: Nonsense still
Always add something to the debate rather than complaining about your losses...coyote.
You should not be bragging about adding something to the debate, as all you do is preach and then proclaim victory. You don't address the mountains of evidence that shows you are wrong.
I only state an updated score, and conclusion AFTER I have added to the debate with more evidence, logic, and laws.
You lack even a passing acquaintance with evidence, logic, and laws. Those are associated with science, and you are about as anti-science as they come.
Please add something to the debate rather than your continual complaining about your defeats. Explain your no flood theory...
I have presented some of the evidence in a previous post that shows the flood at your "exact" date never happened, which you -- as usual -- have completely ignored.
So here it is again:
--From my own archaeological research I have documented Native American cultures which existed and flourished from before to after the "exact" date you concocted for the global flood. If there was such a flood it should have wiped those cultures out. (Along with cultures in Egypt and a lot of other parts of the world.)
--From my own archaeological research I have documented Native American mtDNA of a particular haplotype persisting from before to after the "exact" date you concocted for the global flood. If there was such a flood it should have wiped that haplotype out, replacing it sometime later with a Middle Eastern haplotype. (Other researchers have found the same evidence throughout the world.)
These two lines of evidence from my own research, not to mention thousands of similar findings from around the world, disprove the global flood at the "exact" date you concocted.
no castrophic event theory, your one inch at a time theory.
Not my field. I'm a specialist, having studied a few things for decades. This is quite unlike creationists who read a couple of creationists books or visit a few creationist websites and suddenly are world-class experts in all fields. Creation "science" at work, eh?
Dont be afraid, say something, explain something.... study...and then write whatever you think is applicable that furthers the debate.
OK, here it is. You're a fraud. A preacher. A third-rate shaman. The only reason we waste time with you is the entertainment value, and to let you demonstrate just how poor your research and arguments really are. Your nonsense is now out there on the web for all to see and never to be recalled. You have branded yourself a Class A crank all by yourself.
You must learn how to answer questions, that is the name of the game, the proof of the pudding, the point of the exercise, the aim of the debate... Ready set, GO..
Oh? And you are going to address the evidence I posted above? And in previous posts? Or are you just going to continue to duck, dodge, and weave -- all the while proclaiming victory?
You are not addressing my evidence because you can't. All you have is bluster.
PST... evolutionists complain about the race because they never hget out of the starting blocks, and just talk the talk about racing without ever racing or running
Poor analogy, as could be expected. You have no data, no evidence, a massive ego and overweening arrogance, and delusions of grandeur.
You might at least try for a two-week-a-year time share in reality.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.

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Coyote
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Message 528 of 1352 (806392)
04-25-2017 11:11 AM
Reply to: Message 526 by Davidjay
04-25-2017 10:56 AM


More nonsense
I note you still haven't addressed the evidence I presented showing there was no flood about 4350 years ago.
Until you can counter that evidence your numerology, bible quotes and claims are futile.
ABE: Here it is again:
--From my own archaeological research I have documented Native American cultures which existed and flourished from before to after the "exact" date you concocted for the global flood. If there was such a flood it should have wiped those cultures out. (Along with cultures in Egypt and a lot of other parts of the world.)
--From my own archaeological research I have documented Native American mtDNA of a particular haplotype persisting from before to after the "exact" date you concocted for the global flood. If there was such a flood it should have wiped that haplotype out, replacing it sometime later with a Middle Eastern haplotype. (Other researchers have found the same evidence throughout the world.)
These two lines of evidence from my own research, not to mention thousands of similar findings from around the world, disprove the global flood at the "exact" date you concocted.
Edited by Coyote, : Added evidence from a previous post

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.

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Coyote
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Message 547 of 1352 (806466)
04-25-2017 9:42 PM
Reply to: Message 536 by Davidjay
04-25-2017 1:38 PM


Ducking, as usual
You're still ducking the evidence I posted in Message 528.
You have no evidence to show what I posted is wrong.
You lose, we win. Same as always.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.

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Message 576 of 1352 (806671)
04-27-2017 9:30 AM
Reply to: Message 571 by CRR
04-27-2017 7:57 AM


Re: Let's not keep arguing the same old basics
Archeological and historical evidence has consistently confirmed the Bible is true. That is corroborating real world evidence
In the case of the flood, archaeological and historical evidence conclusively shows that the flood didn't happen as described. Same for the belief in a young earth.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.

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Coyote
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Message 577 of 1352 (806676)
04-27-2017 9:39 AM
Reply to: Message 572 by CRR
04-27-2017 7:59 AM


Re: More nonsense
Coyote, they will never discuss your research, because they can't find anything about it on some creationist website.
So where is it published?
The type of information I have been citing is found worldwide, and has been published worldwide for over 100 years. One example (not one of mine):
Genetic analysis of early holocene skeletal remains from Alaska and its implications for the settlement of the Americas - PubMed
This study reports DNA continuity in southern Alaska and the west coasts of both North and South America over a span of 10,000+ years.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.

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Message 585 of 1352 (807021)
04-30-2017 11:12 AM
Reply to: Message 583 by Faith
04-30-2017 10:41 AM


Back to the flood that never happened...
I noted some references to questions I posed, so I'll repeat the information. It was at the beginning of this thread Message 3.
I don't expect David to answer as he's been ducking, dodging and weaving for weeks now to avoid answering--as he has no answers, just the hollow claims of numerology.
My own archaeological research disproves the global flood ca. 4500 years ago. Research by my colleagues disproves it thousands of times over.
In my research I have continuity of human cultures from before to after the date of the flood, and most importantly I have mitochondrial DNA of the same type extending from before to after that date. If there was such a flood, the earlier mtDNA haplotype would be eliminated, to be replaced by a type from the Middle East.
A few other little details: there is no evidence of the erosional or depositional features that would necessarily associate with such a flood in the area I study.
But if you truly want to see the features left by flood erosion, google "channeled scablands" and look at the images. Some notable examples are from central and eastern Washington:
The nice thing about the flood evidence in Washington is that we can date the events and we know the cause! They occurred between 18,000 and 13,000 years ago, and resulted from formation and breakage of ice dams upstream.
Oh, and this evidence is about three or four times older than the purported global flood. How is it that we see the evidence of those older floods but not evidence of a much larger and much more recent flood?
(Answer: it didn't happen.)
So, don't be claiming that the flood is TRVE history. It is a belief, not a fact.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.

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Coyote
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Message 587 of 1352 (807033)
04-30-2017 1:01 PM
Reply to: Message 586 by Faith
04-30-2017 12:58 PM


Re: Back to the flood that never happened...
I'm aware of your positions, but I was hoping David would at least address the evidence I posted.
He's been ducking, dodging and weaving. He just keeps repeating his empty claims with no effort to debate.
I predict he won't last much longer here.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.

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Coyote
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Message 591 of 1352 (807043)
04-30-2017 2:13 PM
Reply to: Message 588 by Davidjay
04-30-2017 1:49 PM


Re: Back to the flood that happened...exactly as Genesis stated
Im not allowed to post HERE.... from what I read before..
Go to the top of the thread and select "Admin" and review all of his posts. He just said you have to support your claims with more than "the bible says so."
But I always respond and add more truths and proofs when asked, and when I am allowed to.
You have been ducking, dodging, and weaving concerning the evidence I posted for a couple of weeks now. Other than hand-waving it away (never a very good counter to real-world evidence) you haven't laid a glove on it.
You claim the flood was ca. 4350 years ago, while my personal archaeological research shows continuity of Native American cultures from before to after that date, along with continuity of mitochondrial DNA from before to after that date.
My colleagues around the world have produced the same evidence thousands of times over.
One example: Not far from you, in extreme southern Alaska, is a cave with a skeleton dated to 10,300 years ago. It has a rare mtDNA haplotype that has been traced to 46 living individuals in North and South America. This shows there was no replacement with Near Eastern mtDNA as would be required if there were a global flood around 4350 years ago.
Faith disputes the dating, but at least she addresses the question. You just duck, dodge and weave.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.

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Message 725 of 1352 (807923)
05-06-2017 11:27 PM
Reply to: Message 724 by CRR
05-06-2017 10:32 PM


Re: Speedy Species Nonsense
The initial radiation from the Ark into different environments would have encouraged rapid speciation within the kinds.
John Woodmorappe (a pseudonym for a high school teacher named Jan Peczkis), in his article titled The non-transitions in ‘human evolution’—on evolutionists’ terms, posted on the answersingenesis.org website, has argued this very thing. He writes:
The relevant evidence clearly shows that Homo sapiens sensu lato is a separate and distinct entity from the other hominids. No overall evolutionary progression is to be found. Adam and Eve, and not the australopiths/habilines, are our actual ancestors. As pointed out by other creationists [e.g., Lubenow], Homo ergaster, Homo erectus, Homo heidelbergensis, and Homo neanderthalensis can best be understood as racial variants of modern man—all descended from Adam and Eve, and most likely arising after the separation of people groups after Babel.
So Woodmorappe sees the change from modern man, i.e., Adam and Eve, to these four species of fossil man taking place since the Babel incident, which occurred after the global flood and in the range of 4,000 to 5,300 years ago.
Homo ergaster is dated by scientists to between about 1.8 million and 1.3 million years ago, so the change from that critter to modern man took at least 1.1 million years. Now creationists propose a change from modern man to Homo ergaster in about 4,500 years (with instant fossilization and burial, along with a return to normal evolutionary rates). This post-Babel change from modern man to Homo ergaster would require a rate of evolution on the order of 250 times as rapid as scientists see for the change from Homo ergaster to modern man!
Most creationists deny evolution occurs on this scale at all. Now creationists have not only proposed such a change themselves, but they see it operating 250 times faster and in reverse!
No wonder creation "science" is considered joke!

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.

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Coyote
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Message 732 of 1352 (807939)
05-07-2017 10:10 AM
Reply to: Message 731 by bluegenes
05-07-2017 9:55 AM


Re: Translation job: Anyone speak Jayish?
I tried Google translate, but it blew up in confusion. Does anyone speak enough Jayish to have an idea what he's on about here?
In his own inimitable fashion, he's moderating the thread for us.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.

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Message 736 of 1352 (807945)
05-07-2017 10:23 AM
Reply to: Message 733 by Davidjay
05-07-2017 10:14 AM


Re: Translation job: Anyone speak Jayish?
This even though it has been confirmed that my math and exact dating does comply exactly to the biblical record.
One little problem with your "exact" math -- real world evidence shows that the global flood never happened in spite of all the math you can conjure up.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.

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Message 804 of 1352 (808171)
05-08-2017 7:08 PM
Reply to: Message 802 by CRR
05-08-2017 6:41 PM


Re: The TRUE history of the flood
So two Young Earth Creationists can agree that there was a global flood without agreeing on all the details.
Two scientists would let the evidence, not belief, decide their differences.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.

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Message 809 of 1352 (808183)
05-08-2017 11:16 PM


It all comes down to the dating
Isn't in telling that creationists all have to fudge on the dating issue?
The dating issue alone disproves both a young earth and a global flood during historic times.
Because creationists can't accept this, they have to come up with ever more ingenious (and erroneous) "just so" stories to fit their beliefs into the constraints of real world evidence. Mostly this ends up as simple denial--"I believe scientific dating is wrong somehow but I don't know how."
As dwise1 said, "If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science..."
Hmmmmm. Makes one wonder, it do.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.

  
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