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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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Dredge writes: Do human beings need to survive, individually or collectively? Well I definitely feel the need not to be dead. I just asked my daughter and she does too. Not only that, we both decided that it would be bad if the other was dead. That's a sample of two. How about you? Do you feel it would be ok to be dead? How about your mum? Maybe ask a few others - see if you can form a bit of a consensus. Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
RAZD writes: It is for the group. You seem to have repeated yourself. Can you elaborate, please? Why is survival of the group important? The survival of the group is important to the group because then it continues to exist as a group. The group evolved as a means to improve survival and reproduction for members of the group, so it is important for the group to have behaviors that promote cohesiveness in the group. These behaviors, instinctual or learned (memes), then are selected by their ability to improve the cohesiveness and productivity of the group. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Chiroptera Inactive Member
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Dredge, you series of one or two sentence comments seem pretty random and don't seem to have much of a coherent idea behind them. Are you still trying to argue for something? 'Cause you're giving the impression of someone shooting a gun blindly behind his back as he's trying to get away.
Maybe you need to take a break for a couple of days, think about what you're trying to say, and write a more substantive post expressing your point clearly.Freedom is merely privilege extended, unless enjoyed by one and all. — Billy Bragg
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Davidjay  Suspended Member (Idle past 2329 days) Posts: 1026 From: B.C Canada Joined: |
Chir.... you must be more consistent with you wording, as evolutionists are mainly semantic linquists
Dredge, you series of one or two sentence comments seem pretty RANDOM and don't seem to have much of a coherent idea behind them. Are you still trying to argue for something? 'Cause you're giving the impression of someone shooting a gun blindly behind his back as he's trying to get away. Maybe you need to take a break for a couple of days, think about what you're trying to say, and write a more substantive post expressing your point clearly. ?
Now dont take offense, but as an evolutionist that honours and adores and admits that mutations are random and everything about evolution is random and undirected..... you have now switched your allegiances and try to use the word randoness as if it is bad and undirected and misguided...which it is. But you cant have it both ways, random is unguided, and undirected, so change from worshipping randonmness in evolutionary theory to consistently making it one of your principles that you can get directed and quided to true principles. Use the word random properly and consistently. Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given. Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.. The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK. .
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vimesey Member Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined:
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I think I've detected the pattern here. Every day you wake up, and every day you come on here and repeat the same falsehoods about what evolution is:
and everything about evolution is random and undirected... And every day, we correct you and explain, for example here, that evolution is mutation within a population, which is guided by natural selection. And every day after, you come back and ignore what has been patiently explained to you. The difference with Groundhog Day, I guess, is that Bill Murray came to an epiphany and started to spend his time educating himself and becoming a more rounded person. You seem content to be condemned to repeating your mistakes.Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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Chiroptera Inactive Member
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While playing a game with friends that involves rolling dice, randomness is desirable.
In presenting a coherent argument to further a point, randomness will obscure your position. When speaking about the appearance of inheritable variations upon which natural selection acts, randomness is neither good nor bad, it is just how things happen.Freedom is merely privilege extended, unless enjoyed by one and all. — Billy Bragg
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Taq Member Posts: 9973 Joined: Member Rating: 5.7 |
So which religion did Hitler follow?
Christianity, obviously.
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Taq Member Posts: 9973 Joined: Member Rating: 5.7
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Dredge writes: Do human beings need to survive, individually or collectively? They don't need to do anything. You are looking at this from the wrong direction. The process of evolution looks at one thing, the survival of genes. Genes that promote altruism can cause those genes to survive at a higher rate. For example, groups of humans that work together in an altruistic manner can have more offspring than a lone human. They pass on their genes at a higher rate. This means that those genes come to dominate the human population. You need to have a better understanding between cause and effect.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 995 From: Central Florida, USA Joined:
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I think I've detected the pattern here. Every day you wake up, and every day you come on here and repeat the same falsehoods about what evolution is: And every day, we correct you and explain, for example here, that evolution is mutation within a population, which is guided by natural selection. And every day after, you come back and ignore what has been patiently explained to you. The difference with Groundhog Day, I guess, is that Bill Murray came to an epiphany and started to spend his time educating himself and becoming a more rounded person. You seem content to be condemned to repeating your mistakes. My suspicion is that we are dealing with a Christian troll. I don't believe he is actually interested in dialog. He just wants to preach and is looking to get a rise out of people. His responses are so off the wall and nonsensical, that my guess is he is just here to spew nonsense, not engage in meaningful debate. Eventually, he will be banned and that will fulfill his messianic need to be the poor 'persecuted' Christian who was treated badly by those nasty 'evolutionists'.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Taq writes: Christianity, obviously. Can you cite one example of Hitler invoking the name of Jesus Christ?
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Dredge writes: Can you cite one example of Hitler invoking the name of Jesus Christ? Well it took me 30 seconds to find this - close enough?
quote: Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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bluegenes Member (Idle past 2477 days) Posts: 3119 From: U.K. Joined:
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Dredge writes: Can you cite one example of Hitler invoking the name of Jesus Christ? He tended not to use the Jesus, just Christ, Our Lord etc.
quote: Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1, Chapter 11
quote: Adolf Hitler, speech in Munich on April 12, 1922, countering a political opponent, Count Lerchenfeld, who opposed antisemitism on his personal Christian feelings.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Yet there are Hitler quotes that indicate he hated Christianity. So it's a very confusing picture. Anyhow, there always exists the distinct possibility that he used pro-Christian rhetoric to appeal to a Christiian audience. Oldest trick in the book.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Taq writes:
As I pointed out in an earlier post, if no Gods or gods exist, some of the morality invented by religions is as valid as any non-religious morality, because it is still the morality of human beings. the commands of a deity as written by menTo illustrate this point, if there were no religions, a great many people would still consider homosexuality to be immoral; likewise, many people would still consider abortion immoral.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Dredge writes: Yet there are Hitler quotes that indicate he hated Christianity. As you haven't provided any, it's a mute point.
So it's a very confusing picture. Anyhow, there always exists the distinct possibility that he used pro-Christian rhetoric to appeal to a Christiian audience. Oldest trick in the book. Never-the-less you asked for evidence and we provided it. Now you have it, you wriggle away again. Cake and eat it? However, I agree that psychopathic, genocidal dictators are very bad examples to use for anything other than being psychopathic, genocidal dictators so perhaps you can learn that lesson and stop bringing him up? Now, tell us about these objective morals that you have - what are they?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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