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Author | Topic: What happened at Fatima, Portugal between May & October 1917? Six Mary appearances? | |||||||||||||||||||||||||
LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2422 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
I have seen descriptions of the Fatima appearances while reading about unidentified flying objects.
During one of the sightings, a super wet crowd of thousands were miraculously dried after a UFO broke through the thick rain clowds. The ground went from being very muddy and in like a minute became crusty dry. Why was a crowd there? Because previously private appearances of "Mary" to Lucia Dos Santos, Francisco Marto, and Jacinta Marto involved specific details describing future time and place visitations - yes, they were spoken words from the supernatural entity . So it resulted in the 3 kids talking about the future visit, and the results included crowds forming for the hopes of being witness to the vision that might happen. It wound up being a mass vision. The kids were threatened by local authorities with death by boiling oil if they didn't recant their story. But they held fast. Lucia Dos Santos live till 2005 when the 97 year old died. (Though there is a conspiracy theory around that describes the 97 year old as an imposter and not the "real Sister Lucia" ) I wonder if this evidence counts as something abnormal or just a mass hallucination. Or outright fraud. The first thing we can do is be grateful for so many witnesses and the other thing should be gratitude for some witnesses being around for so long. The Catholic Church accepted the appearances as real back in 1930 fwiw. Edited by AdminPhat, : fixed dates
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2422 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
I put Fatima 1917 into google, and every hit was right on topic.
Google I found this hit The Lady of Fátima & the Miracle of the Sun | Live Science
quote: Here is the wikipedia article Miracle of the Sun - Wikipedia I haven't found much discussion of the dry clothes & mud issue. But most of the criticism centers around the idea that , "It surely couldn't have been anything real since we all have the same Sun, and nobody anywhere else (outside Fatima) saw the sun move around and shine all silvery". The weight of criticism of a abnormal event seems to be that "the sun just doesn't do that". I think it is much better to see this as a UFO type of event, and a darn credible one at that. I say credible because the UFO issues back in this time involved cigar shaped zeppelin type of craft, and not silvery, shining discs. Here was my description of descriptions I heard:
quote: Jar said this:
quote: Nice to see that the spirit of free and open inquiry is alive and well here at EvC. Here are some pastes from the Wikipedia link.
quote: Then
quote: That was Oxford, but there is a lot of Wikipedia text on critical views of the event. I feel that it is foolish to laugh at an event that had so many witnesses, and also keeping in mind that it was really a modern era documented phenomenon. Full of interviews of witnesses, media reports, university attention, skeptical investigations and the like. There is an investigation. All agree that the children told people that October 13 would be a special date, and long before the actual day. There is an ongoing investigation. And the issue hasn't been settled. Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2422 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Then Phat said that "supernatural (or UFO) experiences are limited to speculation "
The child later known as "Sister Lucia " lived till 2005 . (If you accept the imposter theory, then she still lived at least 40 years after 1917 I think ) She was the devout Christian medium that heard and saw the "Mary" entity. She alone talked to "Mary " We have the witness of one. The Mary entity told her that October 13,1917 would be a date that she would appear again to Lucia and it would be accompanied with a miracle that all would witness. 70,000 people showed up. Little Lucia couldn't have planned on some optical trick brought about by eyes staring too long at the sun, could she? The spontaneous nature of the events of that day are very hard to deny. Agreed? Do we all agree? People might think that humans can see what they want to see, but there is a difference between suddenly and temporarily seeing something unexpected verses long held artifacts being studied for long periods of time by staring eyes. Little Lucia was talking to Mary for hours, then on her own (without Mary mentioning the sun ) said, "the sun", in a moment of noticing a shinning disc move around below the sun. Witnesses said it moved all around for about a minute or so. Then it stopped. The brief fleeting moment became known as "The Miracle of the Sun ". Lucia planned that? Really?
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2422 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Faith.
So you don't question that something abnormal happened on October 13 in Fatima? I feel like I have to clarify the UFO miracle from the solar miracle theory. I feel that the UFO was misidentified as the sun. This might not be the best illustration, but I will use this unrelated May 4 2017 New York Post article to try to make my point. It is about the Battle of Coral Sea in World War II, and the journalist is Ruth Brown.
quote: Now, the optical perspective among the folks at Fatima seems to indicate that a very bright circular object took a overwhelmingly dominate position in the respective witnesses field of vision. The object appears to have started (intentionally?) its attention-getting phase by superimposing itself over the (much dimmer ) sun, which itself was only previously seen behind cloud cover. The UFO was so bright that the sun couldn't be seen at all, and that was apparently still true even after the misidentified "solar" object started to move around away from the superimposed eclipse position of the actual sun. The big, bright UFO was simply all that the witnesses could see, and they thought that it was indeed the sun. The fact that little Lucia called attention to "The Sun " just as the object started its decent - as it revealed itself - only guaranteed the confusion of the UFO with the sun would be made right from the start, when it might have been possible to distinguish the two totally separate objects before the optics would have totally prevented such a distinction. Hence the name of the October 13 ,1917 event was described as The Miracle of The Sun, and the idea is that the Sun actually did all the moving around that day. My hypothesis (admittedly not original, but still a little heard minority view among those who feel the event was truly abnormal and not some imagined and confused non-event ) assumes that UFOs have genuine manifestations ( surely a strike against the theory ),but it has the advantage of taking the witnesses' statements as far as their testimony truly deserves. It also includes the advantage of taking the three little kids as honest as well. I figured out that I might as well just let the best possible hypothesis be the best (for now ) conclusion that we should cautiously take.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2422 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
quote: The leading UFO scientific journal (over 50 years old now ) , Flying Saucer Review, has long considered the evidence to indicate support for the innerdimensional hypothesis. They could possibly be indigenous to earth. The extra terrestrial biological entity ( EBE) hypothesis assumes that the UFO crafts are probably technology of beings that live in our space dimension but outside the earth. Even supporters of the extraterrestrial hypothesis consider the "green man " to be complete fiction and actually see it as a smear tactic brought by government agents ( disinformation , which average people fall for, typically skeptical folk who think UFO researchers believe in such "little green men"). No UFO researchers have ever seen evidence of little green men and never said so. Now the hue or shade issue : There is a certain type of entity that has been reported from every corner of the world (at least after the middle 20th century ) and that creature made it into the Stephen Spielberg movie, Close Encounters of the Third Kind. They were presented as "good guys" in the movie, but Hynek and Vallee, who Spielberg consulted as researchers, didn't like seeing these shady beings presented as saviors. I will leave it to you to tell me the hue of these entities. Consider it a homework assignment.
quote: The fact that almost nobody heard of flying disc type UFOs in 1917 is what makes the description of "The Sun" such powerful evidence that people weren't seeing something that they were conditioned to see. This wasn't part of any UFO flap and wasn't something someone read about in a novel. No radio or movies were around back then either. I then was quoted :
quote: Your response was a single word : "nonsense" That causes me to assume that you are saying that you are very well read on this topic. You must have done alot of research if you can instantly dismiss one of the details just like you did. Please tell me about the details of the half year of interviews from May 13 till October 13 , and then the interrogation after.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2422 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
quote: But there is the Miracle of the Sun. Is that an apparition or the Sun? Was it an optical image of Mary? Or. Was it the actual Sun? Or Was it a flying shinning disc? Say from a dimension other than our own, perhaps? Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.
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